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Awesome. I almost considered buying it. Almost.

by robinduckett 13y ago

w1ntermute 13y ago
I still can't find a good reason to switch from Vim.
- robin_reala 13y ago
  Well, for me the lack of multiple cursors as an app-level feature is my big pet hate with VIM.
  - atondwal 13y ago
    You don't really need multiple cursors in vim. Visual mode is much more powerful than dropping a bunch of cursors at the right places in lines or blocks of text, and if that's not enough, :s commands handle pretty much every usecase. If you're _still_ unsatisfied and want some corner case that's best satisfied by multiple cursors, then you can use the plugin. I installed it thinking it might be useful, but I still haven't found a use case where I prefer multiple cursors to visual mode or ex commands.
- siddboots 13y ago
  I'm the same. Is it ridiculous that I bought ST just because I wanted a new toy to play with, knowing that I wouldn't switch from vim?
  - shawabawa3 13y ago
    Yes, considering it has one of the least annoying trial versions ever (I believe it pops up a message every 50? or so saves, and otherwise is exactly like the paid version)
    - siddboots 13y ago
      I gave them my money because I like what they are doing, not because I found their message annoying.
- Supermighty 13y ago
  I'm in the same boat. I've used vim for a while now and I'm faster at a couple of small things. So much so that Sublime feels slower to me. (Having to take my hand off the mouse to do a two handed key combo. Or having to move my hands too far from the home keys to do a key combo.) I spent some time last year using Sublime Text 2. [1] But I didn't get very far before I switched back to vim. My guess is that I'll have to unlearn my vim-ism or go all-in on vim and spend time practicing the more esoteric commands until they become second nature. [1]: https://walledcity.com/supermighty/first-impression-sublime-text-2 https://walledcity.com/supermighty/first-impression-sublime-...
- TausAmmer 13y ago
  Proper project management/find in files(project)/ctrlp is way slower. Still, can't switch away from VIM :(
- nobleach 13y ago
  Good. Vim is a great, extremely powerful tool. One of the things that I really couldn't stand about Sublime was that so many users were trying to make it more like Vim. I don't want to use Vim for my daily work. I want to use Sublime. Vim is free, if I wanted to use it for anything more that modifying conf files, I'd use it. But please, don't turn Sublime into Vim... we already have a GREAT Vim.
- danieldk 13y ago
  I agree. I do have a Sublime Text 2 license, but I miss modeful editing, ex, etc. I had used vintage mode for a while, but as usual with such emulations, you quickly run into annoyances. The only thing that I found really attractive in Sublime Text 2 is Goto Anything. ctrlp.vim brings some of its advantages to vim.
blinkingled 13y ago
Yep. Still debating if the $70 price is right.
- glimcat 13y ago
  It's a developer tool. I bill more than that per hour. Lots of people bill more than that per hour. If it saves you time or stress, it's easily worth $70.
  - bornhuetter 13y ago
    If you are a developer billing that much per hour, then it is undoubtedly worth it. For hobbyist programmers and people just getting started, however, it's a bit more uncertain. It's the age old question of how to price a product that is of great value to professionals, but also useful for novices (think Photoshop and Excel). I think that ST2's approach of being hassleware that doesn't go overboard is a good system.
    - NkVczPkybiXICG 13y ago
      It's the same editor whether you pay to use it or not. The tiny hassle at the beginning of clicking "OK" is just to remind you to finally pay for it when you move from hobbyist to professional. :) And if you work in a big company, who knows! They might already have a group license you can you.
  - davidw 13y ago
    The potential problem is not so much the price, which is as you say very reasonable, but getting locked into a proprietary product that you are then attached to. What if they stop developing it? What if they take it in a direction you don't want? What if they move to a higher and higher price? All things to consider. As for me, you can pry my Emacs from my cold, dead fingers.
    - gitaarik 13y ago
      Also my main objection to Sublime. It's such a waste to make such a nice text editor and then make it proprietary.
melling 13y ago
I bought it even though emacs is still my primary editor. $70 is a drop in the bucket. I keep all of my notes open in a couple different screens (grouped by project). It's really quick to navigate to buffers (Cmd-t) and search all buffers. I'm finally learning a little Python because that's how plugins are written. Sublime has pretty smart completion too. Anyone have an org mode? I'd at least like to make urls clickable.
- robinduckett 13y ago
  The biggest bug for me is that it's $70 - Although I'm a professional developer, I'm still fairly underpaid (I don't live in London, San Fran, NY, etc.) and thus it's out of my price range when I can barely afford travel, rent and food.
  - Kurtz79 13y ago
    I use vim and reasonably happy with it, but honestly 70$ is little more than a new console game, or a dinner for two in a decent restaurant... we are not really talking about a license for Photoshop or professional CAD software. If you are a professional developer living in a reasonably modern country and cannot afford 70$ for what is supposed to be to be your primary tool, then you are not underpaid, you are being scammed. That the features it offers are not worth 70$ compared to free editors is another matter entirely, and a purely personal matter.
    - robinduckett 13y ago
      I bought a license for TM years ago, and currently use TM2. This would be a "nice to have", rather than a must have. I should probably save up and take my girlfriend out soon. Thanks for reminding me.
  - Raphmedia 13y ago
    Can't the company you work for buy you a license?
    - 13y ago

Awesome. I almost considered buying it. Almost.

w1ntermute 13y ago

I still can't find a good reason to switch from Vim.

robin_reala 13y ago
Well, for me the lack of multiple cursors as an app-level feature is my big pet hate with VIM.
- atondwal 13y ago
  You don't really need multiple cursors in vim. Visual mode is much more powerful than dropping a bunch of cursors at the right places in lines or blocks of text, and if that's not enough, :s commands handle pretty much every usecase. If you're _still_ unsatisfied and want some corner case that's best satisfied by multiple cursors, then you can use the plugin. I installed it thinking it might be useful, but I still haven't found a use case where I prefer multiple cursors to visual mode or ex commands.
siddboots 13y ago
I'm the same. Is it ridiculous that I bought ST just because I wanted a new toy to play with, knowing that I wouldn't switch from vim?
- shawabawa3 13y ago
  Yes, considering it has one of the least annoying trial versions ever (I believe it pops up a message every 50? or so saves, and otherwise is exactly like the paid version)
  - siddboots 13y ago
    I gave them my money because I like what they are doing, not because I found their message annoying.
Supermighty 13y ago
I'm in the same boat. I've used vim for a while now and I'm faster at a couple of small things. So much so that Sublime feels slower to me. (Having to take my hand off the mouse to do a two handed key combo. Or having to move my hands too far from the home keys to do a key combo.) I spent some time last year using Sublime Text 2. [1] But I didn't get very far before I switched back to vim. My guess is that I'll have to unlearn my vim-ism or go all-in on vim and spend time practicing the more esoteric commands until they become second nature. [1]: https://walledcity.com/supermighty/first-impression-sublime-text-2 https://walledcity.com/supermighty/first-impression-sublime-...
TausAmmer 13y ago
Proper project management/find in files(project)/ctrlp is way slower. Still, can't switch away from VIM :(
nobleach 13y ago
Good. Vim is a great, extremely powerful tool. One of the things that I really couldn't stand about Sublime was that so many users were trying to make it more like Vim. I don't want to use Vim for my daily work. I want to use Sublime. Vim is free, if I wanted to use it for anything more that modifying conf files, I'd use it. But please, don't turn Sublime into Vim... we already have a GREAT Vim.
danieldk 13y ago
I agree. I do have a Sublime Text 2 license, but I miss modeful editing, ex, etc. I had used vintage mode for a while, but as usual with such emulations, you quickly run into annoyances. The only thing that I found really attractive in Sublime Text 2 is Goto Anything. ctrlp.vim brings some of its advantages to vim.

blinkingled 13y ago

Yep. Still debating if the $70 price is right.

glimcat 13y ago
It's a developer tool. I bill more than that per hour. Lots of people bill more than that per hour. If it saves you time or stress, it's easily worth $70.
- bornhuetter 13y ago
  If you are a developer billing that much per hour, then it is undoubtedly worth it. For hobbyist programmers and people just getting started, however, it's a bit more uncertain. It's the age old question of how to price a product that is of great value to professionals, but also useful for novices (think Photoshop and Excel). I think that ST2's approach of being hassleware that doesn't go overboard is a good system.
  - NkVczPkybiXICG 13y ago
    It's the same editor whether you pay to use it or not. The tiny hassle at the beginning of clicking "OK" is just to remind you to finally pay for it when you move from hobbyist to professional. :) And if you work in a big company, who knows! They might already have a group license you can you.
- davidw 13y ago
  The potential problem is not so much the price, which is as you say very reasonable, but getting locked into a proprietary product that you are then attached to. What if they stop developing it? What if they take it in a direction you don't want? What if they move to a higher and higher price? All things to consider. As for me, you can pry my Emacs from my cold, dead fingers.
  - gitaarik 13y ago
    Also my main objection to Sublime. It's such a waste to make such a nice text editor and then make it proprietary.

melling 13y ago

I bought it even though emacs is still my primary editor. $70 is a drop in the bucket. I keep all of my notes open in a couple different screens (grouped by project). It's really quick to navigate to buffers (Cmd-t) and search all buffers. I'm finally learning a little Python because that's how plugins are written. Sublime has pretty smart completion too. Anyone have an org mode? I'd at least like to make urls clickable.

robinduckett 13y ago
The biggest bug for me is that it's $70 - Although I'm a professional developer, I'm still fairly underpaid (I don't live in London, San Fran, NY, etc.) and thus it's out of my price range when I can barely afford travel, rent and food.
- Kurtz79 13y ago
  I use vim and reasonably happy with it, but honestly 70$ is little more than a new console game, or a dinner for two in a decent restaurant... we are not really talking about a license for Photoshop or professional CAD software. If you are a professional developer living in a reasonably modern country and cannot afford 70$ for what is supposed to be to be your primary tool, then you are not underpaid, you are being scammed. That the features it offers are not worth 70$ compared to free editors is another matter entirely, and a purely personal matter.
  - robinduckett 13y ago
    I bought a license for TM years ago, and currently use TM2. This would be a "nice to have", rather than a must have. I should probably save up and take my girlfriend out soon. Thanks for reminding me.
- Raphmedia 13y ago
  Can't the company you work for buy you a license?
  - 13y ago