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Visual Studio 2013, ALM, and DevOps

41 points by hypr_geek 13y ago

jdmitch 13y ago
original announcement here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ and Somasegar's MSDN blog post on it here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-2013.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-...
hemancuso 13y ago
Am I the only one who thinks they should call it VS 2014? By time it ships it'll only have a few months before it has an outdated title.
- pestaa 13y ago
  You should be happy they'll ship another one within 12 months! /sarcasm
- Moto7451 13y ago
  It seems to me that there will be yearly releases to coincide with the yearly release of Windows so there will likely be a separate VS2014.
- ScottWhigham 13y ago
  I don't get it either. There was already a VS2012, and changing to VS2013 for a few months seems like a decision driven by some weird force. Waiting to release for another 3 months would not have killed anyone.
  - kryten 13y ago
    They usually +1 the version every time there is a base windows release which is what Windows 8.1 actually is. I'm not complaining as I get it on MSDN under my subscription.
- SigmundA 13y ago
  How about going back to version numbers so it doesn't matter what year it came out like everyone else?
joshuaellinger 13y ago
You know... adding 5K new things to a platform is not necessarily a good thing. Can you say bloat?
- vyrotek 13y ago
  Or, you know... they could be all great and much needed?
- potatolicious 13y ago
  Not really. I (tried) WinRT development when the Surface first came out. The API is pretty bare and lacks a lot of frameworks and general tools that you take for granted in iOS/Android land. Expanding the API, at least in that direction, is probably a great thing.
lawnchair_larry 13y ago
They seem to be going the way of Google, in a bad way. I don't want to "Sign in" to my IDE/compiler.
- jahabrewer 13y ago
  How else are they going to keep track of your achievements and integrate with xbox live?
  - angersock 13y ago
    http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio
    - alegen 13y ago
      i don`t even... what?! since when is it cool and trendy to write code?
      - xradionut 13y ago
        Since 1984. (You had to be there...)
- yuhong 13y ago
  It will be optional in the final version according to a blog post.
crazygringo 13y ago
I'm sorry, what the heck does "5,000 APIs" mean? An API is like a platform or a mini-platform. 5,000 of them makes no sense. Do they mean 5,000 new API function calls in the Windows platform or something? Although that would be insanely large too. I don't get it.
- angersock 13y ago
  Somewhat cynically: given the Byzantine nature of Microsoft, perhaps there really are 5000 APIs, all created by different groups. :) More likely they're just sloppily enumerating function endpoints.
- deleted 13y ago
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- danbruc 13y ago
  The only appearance of 5,000 I can find is the following one in the Visual Studio 2013 Preview announcement [1]. »In that context, we have our Build 2013 developer conference this week in San Francisco, where approximately 5000 developers have gathered in person (with many thousands more watching virtually) from around the world to discuss the next generation of software development with platforms and tools from Microsoft.« Maybe someone just confused developers and APIs... [1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/26/visual-studio-2013-preview.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/26/visual-...
  - kryten 13y ago
    Well spotted! I was worried for a minute there. I don't know any product that could even reach 5000 API calls. Win32 isn't anywhere near that even after 20+ years.
- josephlord 13y ago
  It was pretty silly when Apple made a similar boast (WWDC 2012? 2011?) and it is still silly when Microsoft does it. I think Apple meant new methods, classes and possibly even the options that you could pass as arguments. Whatever it means I don't think that more is necessarily better and I hope no one has adding APIs as a performance metric!
smortaz 13y ago
In case you're a Python dev, VS2013 now includes support. info at http://pytools.codeplex.com http://pytools.codeplex.com. Has a neat feature to debug CPython & C++ together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJaKQ94lBY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJaKQ94lBY
- lawnchair_larry 13y ago
  That URL would have me believe that it's a third party add-on, pytools, that has support VS2013. Am I misunderstanding, or does VS2013 actually support python natively?
  - bskap 13y ago
    It's a first-party add-on. Support doesn't come in the box (as far as I know), but it is developed by Microsoft.
  - smortaz 13y ago
    bskap is correct. It's developed by Microsoft as a free & open source extension to VS. You can use the VS "Shell" with PTVS to create a fully functional and free Python IDE. Support is via the forums on codeplex. The good part is that it's monitored directly by the devs on the team.
gliaskos 13y ago
X64 edit and continue, at last!! http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2013/06/26/announcing-the-net-framework-4-5-1-preview.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2013/06/26/announcing...
- Gmo 13y ago
  Ha thanks, this was really frustrating indeed.
- snarfy 13y ago
  I was wondering why I would want to upgrade from 2012 because windows 8.1 isn't it. Now I know.
- lostoptimist 13y ago
  Does this imply there will be a 64 bit VS? Or will it just take place entirely in an emulator?
  - j_s 13y ago
    x64 is one of the 'build platforms' for .NET projects in Visual Studio: With Visual Studio 2013 Preview, you can now use [Edit and Continue] with x64, AnyCPU, and (of course) x86 projects. See also: http://visualstudiohacks.com/articles/visual-studio-net-platform-target-explained/ http://visualstudiohacks.com/articles/visual-studio-net-plat...
    - br1 13y ago
      lostoptimist surely meant running visual studio itself as a 64 bit process to use more than 4 gb of ram
- j_s 13y ago
  Nice! In practice that just meant I always switched to x86. 'Managed return value inspection' is a nice enhancement too.
ComputerGuru 13y ago
This is 100% blog spam. Actual announcement: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-2013.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-... Download: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/2013-downloads http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/2013-downloads
norswap 13y ago
Our army of developer has over 9000 penises and 5000 APIs.
Raz0rblade 13y ago
some new abandon ware Yesterday i had to explain to some people i work with what Microsoft is, they dont know it, and dont understand it, they are used to android these days. And find the whole thing confusing why pay for it ?.. its hard to justify or explain..
- jacalata 13y ago
  I downvoted you for misuse of the word abandonware combined with off topic and poorly justified Microsoft bashing.
prajjwal 13y ago
I'm sorry but I can't parse "5000 new APIs", I start bleeding out of my nose. This is spam and incredibly shoddy journalism, even by engadget standards. Flagged.

41 points by hypr_geek 13y ago

original announcement here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ and Somasegar's MSDN blog post on it here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-2013.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-...

hemancuso 13y ago

Am I the only one who thinks they should call it VS 2014? By time it ships it'll only have a few months before it has an outdated title.

pestaa 13y ago
You should be happy they'll ship another one within 12 months! /sarcasm
Moto7451 13y ago
It seems to me that there will be yearly releases to coincide with the yearly release of Windows so there will likely be a separate VS2014.
ScottWhigham 13y ago
I don't get it either. There was already a VS2012, and changing to VS2013 for a few months seems like a decision driven by some weird force. Waiting to release for another 3 months would not have killed anyone.
- kryten 13y ago
  They usually +1 the version every time there is a base windows release which is what Windows 8.1 actually is. I'm not complaining as I get it on MSDN under my subscription.
SigmundA 13y ago
How about going back to version numbers so it doesn't matter what year it came out like everyone else?

joshuaellinger 13y ago

You know... adding 5K new things to a platform is not necessarily a good thing. Can you say bloat?

vyrotek 13y ago
Or, you know... they could be all great and much needed?
potatolicious 13y ago
Not really. I (tried) WinRT development when the Surface first came out. The API is pretty bare and lacks a lot of frameworks and general tools that you take for granted in iOS/Android land. Expanding the API, at least in that direction, is probably a great thing.

lawnchair_larry 13y ago

They seem to be going the way of Google, in a bad way. I don't want to "Sign in" to my IDE/compiler.

jahabrewer 13y ago
How else are they going to keep track of your achievements and integrate with xbox live?
- angersock 13y ago
  http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio http://channel9.msdn.com/achievements/visualstudio
  - alegen 13y ago
    i don`t even... what?! since when is it cool and trendy to write code?
    - xradionut 13y ago
      Since 1984. (You had to be there...)
yuhong 13y ago
It will be optional in the final version according to a blog post.

crazygringo 13y ago

I'm sorry, what the heck does "5,000 APIs" mean? An API is like a platform or a mini-platform. 5,000 of them makes no sense. Do they mean 5,000 new API function calls in the Windows platform or something? Although that would be insanely large too. I don't get it.

angersock 13y ago
Somewhat cynically: given the Byzantine nature of Microsoft, perhaps there really are 5000 APIs, all created by different groups. :) More likely they're just sloppily enumerating function endpoints.
deleted 13y ago
[deleted]
danbruc 13y ago
The only appearance of 5,000 I can find is the following one in the Visual Studio 2013 Preview announcement [1]. »In that context, we have our Build 2013 developer conference this week in San Francisco, where approximately 5000 developers have gathered in person (with many thousands more watching virtually) from around the world to discuss the next generation of software development with platforms and tools from Microsoft.« Maybe someone just confused developers and APIs... [1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/26/visual-studio-2013-preview.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/26/visual-...
- kryten 13y ago
  Well spotted! I was worried for a minute there. I don't know any product that could even reach 5000 API calls. Win32 isn't anywhere near that even after 20+ years.
josephlord 13y ago
It was pretty silly when Apple made a similar boast (WWDC 2012? 2011?) and it is still silly when Microsoft does it. I think Apple meant new methods, classes and possibly even the options that you could pass as arguments. Whatever it means I don't think that more is necessarily better and I hope no one has adding APIs as a performance metric!

smortaz 13y ago

In case you're a Python dev, VS2013 now includes support. info at http://pytools.codeplex.com http://pytools.codeplex.com. Has a neat feature to debug CPython & C++ together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJaKQ94lBY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJaKQ94lBY

lawnchair_larry 13y ago
That URL would have me believe that it's a third party add-on, pytools, that has support VS2013. Am I misunderstanding, or does VS2013 actually support python natively?
- bskap 13y ago
  It's a first-party add-on. Support doesn't come in the box (as far as I know), but it is developed by Microsoft.
- smortaz 13y ago
  bskap is correct. It's developed by Microsoft as a free & open source extension to VS. You can use the VS "Shell" with PTVS to create a fully functional and free Python IDE. Support is via the forums on codeplex. The good part is that it's monitored directly by the devs on the team.

gliaskos 13y ago

X64 edit and continue, at last!! http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2013/06/26/announcing-the-net-framework-4-5-1-preview.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2013/06/26/announcing...

Gmo 13y ago
Ha thanks, this was really frustrating indeed.
snarfy 13y ago
I was wondering why I would want to upgrade from 2012 because windows 8.1 isn't it. Now I know.
lostoptimist 13y ago
Does this imply there will be a 64 bit VS? Or will it just take place entirely in an emulator?
- j_s 13y ago
  x64 is one of the 'build platforms' for .NET projects in Visual Studio: With Visual Studio 2013 Preview, you can now use [Edit and Continue] with x64, AnyCPU, and (of course) x86 projects. See also: http://visualstudiohacks.com/articles/visual-studio-net-platform-target-explained/ http://visualstudiohacks.com/articles/visual-studio-net-plat...
  - br1 13y ago
    lostoptimist surely meant running visual studio itself as a 64 bit process to use more than 4 gb of ram
j_s 13y ago
Nice! In practice that just meant I always switched to x86. 'Managed return value inspection' is a nice enhancement too.

ComputerGuru 13y ago

This is 100% blog spam. Actual announcement: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-2013.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2013/06/03/teched-... Download: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/2013-downloads http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/2013-downloads

norswap 13y ago

Our army of developer has over 9000 penises and 5000 APIs.

Raz0rblade 13y ago

some new abandon ware Yesterday i had to explain to some people i work with what Microsoft is, they dont know it, and dont understand it, they are used to android these days. And find the whole thing confusing why pay for it ?.. its hard to justify or explain..

jacalata 13y ago
I downvoted you for misuse of the word abandonware combined with off topic and poorly justified Microsoft bashing.

prajjwal 13y ago

I'm sorry but I can't parse "5000 new APIs", I start bleeding out of my nose. This is spam and incredibly shoddy journalism, even by engadget standards. Flagged.