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It's still so much better than any other OS.

by lucian1900 13y ago

raverbashing 13y ago
Maybe if you use the latest kernel, get the latest driver for the manufacture, recompile X, Mesa, and a bunch of other modules you can get OpenGL 4.2 on Linux (with a ton of bugs) Yes, I'm sticking to Mac OS X
- mahmoudhossam 13y ago
  Or just use Arch, you won't have to compile anything and still get the latest and greatest.
- dman 13y ago
  When did you last use opengl on linux? Do you use opengl on OSX?
- figglesonrails 13y ago
  No, you can't get OpenGL 4.x on Linux. You can't even get GL 3.3 -- geometry shader support is in it infancy. A quick look at mesa3d-dev or phoronix will show you that.
  - dman 13y ago
    You are incorrect. Nvidia had 4.3 running on linux the day 4.3 was announced. AMD followed a month or so later after the announcement.
    - figglesonrails 13y ago
      I think you're missing the implicit "open source" in this statement. The OP mentioned "recompile Mesa" and getting buggy 4.x support. No open source driver supports 4.x yet. I'm aware that proprietary drivers are far ahead, see my other posts.
      - magicalist 13y ago
        The "implicit" open source in that statement is more than a little important to state explicitly. You're correct (AFAIK) about open driver support, but many many people use Linux, support free software, but are willing to install the nvidia or amd drivers for the performance benefits they bring so they can get work done. Especially if you're willing to cave and just use a Mac, I think the comparison to nvidia's closed drivers is a fine one.
        figglesonrails 13y ago
        I don't mean this in a bad way, but if someone says "recompile Mesa", I take it for granted that the understood context is "open source drivers". I didn't mean to confuse anyone.
      - dman 13y ago
        Does OSX have open source drivers? How is this an apples to apples comparision?
angersock 13y ago
Would you like to elaborate on your position, or just continue smugly toeing the party line? For example, OSX has really bad (read: no) support for hardware slightly deviating outside of its niche. It also uses an arguably-broken UI metaphor, and has no truly good package management story.
- lucian1900 13y ago
  It was not a smug comment of any sort. What's a party line and how does one "toe" it? While it is well known that Linux supports the most hardware devices out there (in absolute terms) and Windows is most likely to support currently common hardware, neither allows one to rely on a recent version of OpenGL being available. On Windows one must install drivers to get OpenGL support because GPU manufacturers focus on the very platform-specific Direct3D at the expense of everything else, on Linux support is spotty and only through binary blobs because the same GPU manufacturers don't provide full open source drivers for the hardware their customers paid for. I was lamenting the state of standards compliance in general and OpenGL in particular; in this particular case OS X does pretty well.
  - angersock 13y ago
    Yeah, that's not correct. Windows keeps fairly up-to-date OGL drivers through vendors (as makes complete sense), and the Linux driver story isn't terrible. Windows also generally will try and install driver updates as soon as they become available--this hardly makes OGL some magical burden to keep up-to-date. If anything, OSX has been lagging behind hard until recently.
    - vor_ 13y ago
      When did this trend start to refer to things as a "story"?
      - figglesonrails 13y ago
        It's a marketing phrase actually -- it's a holistic approach to how a product is presented. It took me a long time to understand it in its entirety, but nearest equivalence here is "user experience", i.e. the drivers on Linux are quite mature, stable, and performant (with the implicit comparison usually to open source drivers or another platform such as Windows).
shmerl 13y ago
How is it? Linux has 4.3 support (with Nvidia drivers).

It's still so much better than any other OS.

Maybe if you use the latest kernel, get the latest driver for the manufacture, recompile X, Mesa, and a bunch of other modules you can get OpenGL 4.2 on Linux (with a ton of bugs) Yes, I'm sticking to Mac OS X

mahmoudhossam 13y ago
Or just use Arch, you won't have to compile anything and still get the latest and greatest.
dman 13y ago
When did you last use opengl on linux? Do you use opengl on OSX?
figglesonrails 13y ago
No, you can't get OpenGL 4.x on Linux. You can't even get GL 3.3 -- geometry shader support is in it infancy. A quick look at mesa3d-dev or phoronix will show you that.
- dman 13y ago
  You are incorrect. Nvidia had 4.3 running on linux the day 4.3 was announced. AMD followed a month or so later after the announcement.
  - figglesonrails 13y ago
    I think you're missing the implicit "open source" in this statement. The OP mentioned "recompile Mesa" and getting buggy 4.x support. No open source driver supports 4.x yet. I'm aware that proprietary drivers are far ahead, see my other posts.
    - magicalist 13y ago
      The "implicit" open source in that statement is more than a little important to state explicitly. You're correct (AFAIK) about open driver support, but many many people use Linux, support free software, but are willing to install the nvidia or amd drivers for the performance benefits they bring so they can get work done. Especially if you're willing to cave and just use a Mac, I think the comparison to nvidia's closed drivers is a fine one.
      - figglesonrails 13y ago
        I don't mean this in a bad way, but if someone says "recompile Mesa", I take it for granted that the understood context is "open source drivers". I didn't mean to confuse anyone.
    - dman 13y ago
      Does OSX have open source drivers? How is this an apples to apples comparision?

angersock 13y ago

Would you like to elaborate on your position, or just continue smugly toeing the party line? For example, OSX has really bad (read: no) support for hardware slightly deviating outside of its niche. It also uses an arguably-broken UI metaphor, and has no truly good package management story.

lucian1900 13y ago
It was not a smug comment of any sort. What's a party line and how does one "toe" it? While it is well known that Linux supports the most hardware devices out there (in absolute terms) and Windows is most likely to support currently common hardware, neither allows one to rely on a recent version of OpenGL being available. On Windows one must install drivers to get OpenGL support because GPU manufacturers focus on the very platform-specific Direct3D at the expense of everything else, on Linux support is spotty and only through binary blobs because the same GPU manufacturers don't provide full open source drivers for the hardware their customers paid for. I was lamenting the state of standards compliance in general and OpenGL in particular; in this particular case OS X does pretty well.
- angersock 13y ago
  Yeah, that's not correct. Windows keeps fairly up-to-date OGL drivers through vendors (as makes complete sense), and the Linux driver story isn't terrible. Windows also generally will try and install driver updates as soon as they become available--this hardly makes OGL some magical burden to keep up-to-date. If anything, OSX has been lagging behind hard until recently.
  - vor_ 13y ago
    When did this trend start to refer to things as a "story"?
    - figglesonrails 13y ago
      It's a marketing phrase actually -- it's a holistic approach to how a product is presented. It took me a long time to understand it in its entirety, but nearest equivalence here is "user experience", i.e. the drivers on Linux are quite mature, stable, and performant (with the implicit comparison usually to open source drivers or another platform such as Windows).

shmerl 13y ago

How is it? Linux has 4.3 support (with Nvidia drivers).