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NeoCities
- zrail 13y agoHow do you plan on keeping out spam?
- talles 13y agoYa, looks like most of the pages are garbage right now.
- big_lou 13y agoMaybe that's because it was made public basically an hour ago
- alanfalcon 13y agoDon't worry, Dade Murphy will clean up. Next, enter a password. This will be used to allow you to login. Minimum 5 characters. If you don't make it a good password, Dade Murphy from the movie Hackers will come in and steal your "garbage files".
- belorn 13y agoThrough the captcha on the registration page? Recaptcha might not be enough in the long run, but it will be enough in the short run.
- mperham 13y agoAdd a premium tier, even something as simple as integrated web analytics. Donations are charity. If you want this to be a sustainable business, ask for people to pay for value.
- stinky613 13y agoI was thinking about this too. I agree that counting on donations in sufficient quantity and regularity is like buying lotto tickets to pay your electric bill. And if they add a premium tier... well then that kind of kills their differentiation, doesn't it? They're aiming for the niche of free, modest, simple, laissez faire vis-a-vis content. When you take 'free' out of the mix then you're in the arena of commoditized cheap hosting; inertia would be the only reason for someone to upgrade their free account to a premium plan.
- unknownian 13y agoYep, services that are about uncensorship generally don't do paid tiers. See: 4chan, Rizon, groups that release pirated videos, etc.
- ics 13y agoI think donating a dollar for a custom visitor counter would be the perfect option... doesn't really set apart anyone, still provides a bit of fun.
- zephjc 13y agoI think people are aiming to create the original geocities experience too: Examples: http://poeks.neocities.org/ http://poeks.neocities.org/ http://skry.neocities.org/ http://skry.neocities.org/ http://jeremy.neocities.org/ http://jeremy.neocities.org/
- stinky613 13y agoHaha, wow. It's like going to a civil war reenactment where everyone adhere strictly to period customs and vernacular. Unfortunately they forgot center tags and to capitalize all of their HTML. I was going to say it's missing a table-based layout, but then I recalled that the height of geocities' popularity was earlier than I remember seeing table-based layouts everywhere. It's really not very assuring when they state on the front page that they "hope" they can get enough money each month so they can pay the server bills.
- kyledrake 13y agoThe site will very easily pay for itself with donations. It's not that expensive to serve static HTML, especially when you are using Nginx and sendfile.
- Simucal 13y agoDoes Nginx use sendfile under the hood or is it something you would use separately?
- zhemao 13y agoIt's an option you can choose at compilation time, I believe.
- eclipticplane 13y agoIt's a configuration option, actually [1]. No need to recompile. If anyone isn't using it, try it out! [1] http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpCoreModule#sendfile http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpCoreModule#sendfile
- timmillwood 13y agosigh
- d33d33 13y agocool idea, but seems the server has some problems uploading (2-8kb) files? or is that the heavy traffic? anyway, get some error messages, but files are uploaded. savings seem to take a while...better keep your code in another editor, too edit: ps: internal server error
- ArekDymalski 13y agoSame here. Internal Server Error. That's a huge nostalgia strike ;)
- numbsafari 13y ago"uncensored" Good luck with that.
- gboudrias 13y agoJust make sure you don't sleep with a girl without wearing a condom and you should be fine.
- LandoCalrissian 13y agohttp://nick.neocities.org/ http://nick.neocities.org/ Already worth the price of admission. This is a really fun idea.
- lotharbot 13y agoIt's never too early for scams. http://secure.neocities.org/ http://secure.neocities.org/ "Security page. Please enter your password here."
- citricsquid 13y agoA couple of years back there was a website I use that switched to usernames as sub domains and I managed to break it by using "webmail" as a username, another user took "ns1" and "ns2" and now my first port of call on sites like this always checking out "webmail", "ns1" and "ns2". So childish but good harmless fun.
- hnriot 13y agotoo
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- davorak 13y agoI see login.neocities.org is taken as well.
- sirclueless 13y agohttp://signin.neocities.org/ http://signin.neocities.org/
- nickodell 13y agologin.neocities.org payment.neocities.org
- vyrotek 13y agoI'm guessing pointing a CNAME to this is not supported?
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- slg 13y agoDon't use this for anything you view as important. I just checked and there is no collision detection for usernames. You can signup for an account using any name and your account will seemingly just replace the previous created account. That is a big enough and obvious enough flaw that it also makes we wonder if this is just a phishing expedition or a way to mine email addresses.
- colbyaley 13y agoToo good to be true, you ask?
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- ErikAugust 13y agoI'm logged in as "www" right now.
- arkitaip 13y agoSorry, I probably overwrote your stuff :/
- slg 13y agoFunny enough, that is exactly how I found the problem. I created a www account (I am almost ashamed to say that was my first instinct, try to break the system before you decide the system is worthy of your use). I ended up logging out and I couldn't log back in with the same password. In hindsight, someone must have created another www account after I did and before I tried to login again. I then tried creating another www account and it worked. I then logged out and tried registering with a different username twice just in case www was a special case. The same thing happened, the second account just replaced the first account.
- the1 13y agohaha I created www account, too.
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- colbyaley 13y agoThis is so awesome.
- j546 13y agoHas anyone actually had success maintaining a business with the donation model?
- ddinh 13y agoIt's definitely an awesome project, but I just don't see the advantage of NeoCities over hosting a website on Github or BitBucket yet, especially since those sites offer unlimited space and store all the old versions of your website for you. Some differentiation with those services is needed - for example, a privacy policy guaranteeing true anonymity (no IP address stored, no cookies) or a more layperson-accessible website creator.
- brennannovak 13y agoThose have significant learning curves to people who don't speak web-l337 yet. Remember before you knew how to code? What version control was, and documentation was scary? Angelfire & GeoCities is where I learned to code HTML
- brennannovak 13y agoI am interested to see where this goes!
- marchra 13y agoMarissa Mayer just offered $9 million for this -- and they are holding out for more.
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- clauretano 13y agooops, look like someone else took it from you already. Should probably send them a bill
- jgallant 13y agohttp://remy.neocities.org http://remy.neocities.org Don't forget the hot-linked images.
- acomjean 13y agoawesome! This century penguin gifs replace dancing hamsters!
- iframe 13y agothis reminds me GeoCities :')
- return0 13y agoHosted in the US. At least geocities didn't live long enough to make it into prism
- csomar 13y agoThere are 61054 web site spaces remaining. After that, we need your help to get another server. Does that mean he's running 61k sites on a single server? Even if each site gets one single visitor per day, that 61k visitors for the Server. There is no way the server can manage that traffic. Sorry, but do you really want a static site? Just pay for a good one.
- egonschiele 13y agoNginx can handle 61k views/day easily. Now if each of those sites get 61k views each...
- citricsquid 13y agoAssuming you're not being sarcastic: a small vps could serve an order of magnitude more visitors per day than that when it's just static files, many orders of magnitude more on a well configured server and many many many times more than that on a powerful server. The bottleneck for this will probably be bandwidth.
- showerst 13y agoAside from the other evidence that this is terribly thought out, serving 61,000 static pageviews (or if average pages per visitor is more like 2: 120,000) shouldn't be a problem on even a cheap server. Even with uneven traffic that's probably 4-5 pageviews/second at most. The cheapest linode or AWS instance can handle that for serving static files.
- spullara 13y agoThat is an amusingly small amount of traffic. A typical server should be able to handle thousands of requests per second. See the web framework benchmarks. When you add in the fact this is serving static pages you will likely blow out the bandwidth first. Put it behind cloudflare or another cdn and you should only need a second server for availability.
- SomeCallMeTim 13y agoA $20/month Linode can handle 4k static pages per second on Nginx. I've heard tell of people pumping the cheap Linode server up to 30k views/second, but I haven't been able to break 4k. Assuming text pages, the full 61k sites could be accessed every 15 seconds. If the pages have nontrivial graphics, then you're (as others have mentioned) far more likely to be bandwidth-limited. If the site has an unmetered 10Mbps connection, then it could serve 1Mbyte per second: If each of those 61k pages contained 1MB of data, then it would STILL be able to serve (at most) 86k pages per day. It's likely that most of the pages hosted will be accessed less than once a day, though. Power law distribution of the long tail [1] and all that. And a megabyte is a lot of data for a single web page; I would imagine that with a 10Mb limit on the entire site, it's not going to be a place to host sites with tons of images. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tail
- big_lou 13y agoPEOPLE. This is clearly not intended as a business. Stop asking about the "business model." It strikes me as just being a cool side project that enables people to make websites. That's it. Yeesh.
- LandoCalrissian 13y agoI'm pretty sure that's exactly what it is. This is just for fun, I don't think they are looking for VC money or anything crazy.
- belorn 13y agoAs someone who has a 1gb/s flat rate at home, I have thought about doing something similar. It really isn't that expensive to have a bit of network and a server that gives out static content.
- noir_lord 13y agoTil someone puts something copyright or worse on it.
- belorn 13y agoWe were talking about the expenses of running the service, and not the legal space around hosting user generated content. The legal questions are interesting, through it highly depend on the country and political tendencies from one year to the next. In theory, I could run this kind of service in Sweden, and only remove content on order by a judge. In theory. In practice, there might not be any difference between hosting user generated content and simply having a website up hosting in ones own name.
- joshaidan 13y agoIn other words, Yahoo! will eventually end up buying it.
- rollo_tommasi 13y ago
- ErikAugust 13y agoMore fun: http://login.neocities.org/ http://login.neocities.org/
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- ianb 13y agoNo API? Sigh. It could be a nice backing host for a through-the-browser CMS – a little OAuth, a little CORS, and it could work pretty nicely.
- big_lou 13y agoMaybe there will be an API. The project is one month old.
- cheapsteak 13y agoWhat's with all the FBI seizure images?
- thejacenxpress 13y agoI noticed that too haha. What's nick been up to?
- SteroidsLove 13y agostevejobs.neocities.org
- ibudiallo 13y agoI think its a nice website, don't be discouraged by the comments you get here. HN can be awful with this, but if you parse through all the bad mouthers you may find some gold :)
- fragmede 13y agoOh man, it is just like the 90's: unicode usernames are not allowed. Welcome to the past!
- farinasa 13y agoI can't even put a unicode bullet on the page. Maybe I should be using double tildes or something.
- mustafakidd 13y ago"We've come full circle" I love getting old and seeing technology continually reinvent itself.
- delmarc 13y agoNeed a Password retrieval system and the sign up page needs a verify password field... I already lost my password...
- delmarc 13y agoNeed a Password retrieval system and the sign up page needs a verify password field... I already lost my password...
- egeozcan 13y agoLet's say I like cats: http://egeninwebsayfasi.neocities.org/ http://egeninwebsayfasi.neocities.org/
- Yhippa 13y agoDon't show this one to grandma: http://payment.neocities.org/ http://payment.neocities.org/
- kwntm 13y agoI love the browser editor you made. Very easy to get up and running fast. It'll be a useful tool for teaching, and also for small js projects. Fun project- Thanks!
- delmarc 13y agoAlso please send an email once the account has been made... I know i made a page... but never received anything about it...
- rozap 13y agoguys i just made mine here http://rozap.neocities.org/index.html http://rozap.neocities.org/index.html and it is best so you all can stop making them because it will fail to surpass my creation.
- ForFreedom 13y agoHow do you pay without adverts?
- aranjedeath 13y agohttp://www.textfiles.com/thoughts/advertising.html http://www.textfiles.com/thoughts/advertising.html
- jstalin 13y agoI just had to do it: http://jstalin.neocities.org/index.html http://jstalin.neocities.org/index.html It's going to play audio if you clink the link, unless you're using click to play
- jmathai 13y agoPlease state a warning that it is going to play audio when you click the link.
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoAlso, backstory: http://mike.winterdiamond.com/history.php http://mike.winterdiamond.com/history.php
- darseex 13y agoYou'd think he'd have learned his lesson about god-awful site design.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoYou'd think people would have learned that the internet is all about me, and that I prefer content over packaging :(
- kristopolous 13y agoat the same time, though, I read every word and was captivated until the end.
- stevenspasbo 13y agoThat was pretty sad.
- rfnslyr 13y agoThis thread is hilarious.
- shtylman 13y agoJust use github pages.
- deadfall 13y agoBut there is no browsing feature which is pretty entertaining. I love seeing all the designs and creativity.
- jneal 13y agoDecided to create something from scratch in the text editor. I must say I like the editor. Had to include a slight ode to the fallen geo(.*) http://jneal.neocities.org/ http://jneal.neocities.org/
- brudgers 13y agoGeoCities clipart backgrounds still available! http://www.geocities.com/clipart/pbi/backgrounds/ http://www.geocities.com/clipart/pbi/backgrounds/
- scottluptowski 13y agoHoly nostalgia trip
- conanbatt 13y agoReading the comments you can see instant cybersquatting. Man i hate that -.-
- oakaz 13y agoHow can I upload my files with CuteFTP?
- benjamincburns 13y agoI wonder how long it'll take for Yahoo to send a C&D...
- drgath 13y agoFor what?
- networked 13y agoHi, Hax0r N3ws! Check out my all-new website showing some oldskool JScripting skillz at http://cd.neocities.org/ http://cd.neocities.org/. You can trick your friends by directing them there. P.S.: Just checked and it actually works with Internet Exploder 6.0 in an M$ Windoze 98 VM, which I had running in VMWare Player 5.0.2 with my PC's physical DVD drive connected. Should work as long as your Win9x or pre-SP2 XP has WMP 7 installed. P.P.S.: Do post here if it works for you!
- jjp9999 13y agoKind of funny. Looks like the first site on their examples page was seized by the FBI.
- leke 13y agoGreat news! http://420.neocities.org/ http://420.neocities.org/
- leke 13y agoHmmm... Even though index.html page was overwritten, it still displays the old index page. Here is an updated version. http://420.neocities.org/index.html http://420.neocities.org/index.html
- workhere-io 13y agoHN is supposed to be (partly) about the joy of building stuff, and yet this entire thread is all about people pointing out flaws, missing features and minor annoyances instead of saying, "Good job!". Give the guy a break and a chance to get the project off the ground.
- kybernetyk 13y agoOh man, I'm sorry for OP because of all the negativity in this thread. I think his service is kinda cool in a twisted way and I can totally see me building a little 'old school' homepage on it. /edit: I did build a homepage: http://kybernetyk.neocities.org http://kybernetyk.neocities.org I feel better now ;)
- omd 13y agoNah, OP seems to be doing just fine. I feel more sorry for the people who forgot how to laugh. Here's mine (NSFW-ish): http://nl.neocities.org http://nl.neocities.org
- Luyt 13y agoI wonder whether this 'negativity' is really negativity, or just well-meant criticism, testing and validating the idea, maybe even playing advocate of the devil. From what I've seen in the past years, the HN community is unlikely to produce a page with tons of similar 'Nice job!' postings.
- cytokine_storm 13y agoWell the top post about a security flaw and the creator's superb response was what I was looking for to confirm some kind of semi-legitimacy before I post a link to facebook.
- callmeed 13y agoThis is really cool. What's your tech stack look like? Are you using Nginx to serve up the static files?
- donohoe 13y agoMy three quick contributions: http://qz.neocities.com/ http://qz.neocities.com/ http://scientists.neocities.com/ http://scientists.neocities.com/ (Back to the Future) http://fometer.neocities.org/ http://fometer.neocities.org/ I've had issues uploading CSS, JS and manifest (for offline) files - anyone else?
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- rschmitty 13y agoPlays nice with http://divshot.github.io/geo-bootstrap/ http://divshot.github.io/geo-bootstrap/
- m-r-a-m 13y agoI think I captured the essence of my geocities/tripod/etc experience... http://ramige.neocities.org http://ramige.neocities.org I really like this and I'll probably use it for something real.
- spiritplumber 13y agoThis is adorable!!!!
- deadfall 13y agoHow are you moderating the content? Are you doing it yourself? Are you putting together a flagging system? Do you need help? I am looking for another side project to work on.
- sejje 13y ago"uncensored"
- rsync 13y agoexport function ? Given the fate of the original geocities, it would seem to be very helpful...
- okaram 13y agowget -r ?
- icebraining 13y agoFile → Save Page As.
- mixedbit 13y agoGood luck with the project! I hope we will soon see these pathetic Facebook like buttons replaced with good old JavaScript guest counters (only half-joking).
- senthil_rajasek 13y agoCan you add a akismet style spam filtering to kill spammy pages?
- will_brown 13y agoIt is very refreshing that a side project/start-up related post has made it to number 1 spot on HN. And this is coming from someone who posted a Bee article that made it to the front page today. kyledrake if any negativity on this thread gets to you, something tells me it will not, just ask yourself how many others have posted their side project on HN that made it to #1, I know I have not and that is why I created this account to begin with - to share my start-up with a start-up community.
- therandomguy 13y agoI wanted to share this with a co-worker. Asked him, "you remember geocities?". He didn't. Because it was probably before he was born. I'm so old.
- pronoiac 13y agoHah! I've been playing with Jekyll and Pelican and other static site generators, and one of the thoughts I had was "if Geocities were still around, I could host pages there."
- vulgrin 13y ago-1 for not re-implementing <blink> tag
- toni 13y agoI've hacked a little script together[1] for uploading all the files in a directory into NeoCities. Handy if you are working on your site and want to upload everything in one go. Set your username and password at the beginning of the script and run it with the path to the directory as an argument: ./neocities-uploader.php /path/to/my/site [1] https://github.com/pwlin/neocities-uploader https://github.com/pwlin/neocities-uploader
- serf 13y agoI like the idea, but GeoCities left a bad taste in my mouth. What makes this site any more maintainable than GeoCities was? The fact that it's donation based and not at the whims of a corporate entity is reassuring, but other than that it seems as if the footing would be even less stable. Am I wrong?
- blahbloh 13y agoFun with your friends! http://penismonster.neocities.org http://penismonster.neocities.org
- songzme 13y agowow! This is super simple to use! 10 minutes into it, I now have a splash page of myself! http://songz.neocities.org/ http://songz.neocities.org/
- TazeTSchnitzel 13y agoNot neocities, but a friend recently put this geocities-esque page up: http://cats4gold.net/ http://cats4gold.net/
- orangethirty 13y agoLove this. Its geocities 2.0. Now, where do I find old gifs? Edit Found them. Check out mah page. http://notme.neocities.org http://notme.neocities.org
- dj2stein9 13y agoAh, this site was fun while it lasted http://fuckthensa.neocities.org/ http://fuckthensa.neocities.org/
- markdown 13y ago> The file uploader will automatically scrub any characters not matching: a-z A-Z 0-9 _ - . What about '<>/{};:[]=+~' ? All of which are useful in html/css
- nperez 13y agoSince this takes me back to the good old days of marquee tags, I made this fine work of art. http://hello.neocities.org/ http://hello.neocities.org/
- serf 13y agoI like looking through the "Browse Existing Sites" and looking at all the emerging sites. I especially like the ambiguous "enter credit card and expiration date" sites that are nothing but a form and submission button.
- cabalamat 13y agoThere is a bug on your dashboard; the html for viewing a page is: <a href="http://meowcat.neocities.org/index.html" target="_blank">View <br></a> Unfortunately, this means that I cannot click with the middle mouse button to bring up the page in a new tab. Please remove the extraneous target="_blank" code.
- mmcclellan 13y agoThat's funny. I searched that domain name on domize around a month ago too. Though mine was going to be S3 and Route53 using boto.
- cabalamat 13y agoWill it be possible to upload websites using rsync?
- damian2000 13y agoGood luck with this. Just a minor comment on your animated favicon.ico icon ... it would look a lot better if you used a transparent colour for the outside of the globe. Currently its white, which looks a little bit crappy.
- Aynatix 13y agohttp://timnova.neocities.org http://timnova.neocities.org
- andysum 13y agoThis is incredible! Here's my site: http://andy.neocities.org http://andy.neocities.org
- eksith 13y agoThe sad thing is that now there are lots of squatters creating "under construction" pages and the like instead of actually putting content. Trying to emulate Geocities without actually doing so (a lot of them did have those banners, but they also had content). Oh well. Here's mine : http://eksith.neocities.org http://eksith.neocities.org (Also people are forgetting, it's .org not .com)
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- bobdvb 13y agoNo censoring? So what about child abuse images?
- exodust 13y agoWhat about child abuse images? No censorship means no censorship. It doesn't mean the provider of neocities couldn't be ordered to remove the illegal content and hand over all details about the person who uploaded it. "No censorship" doesn't mean criminals will be protected by neocities. It doesn't mean that child abuse images can't be dealt with in accordance with the law. Remember that the internet is not classified like movies and TV. There is no requirement to put "Rated R18+" on a website. As it should be. All he is saying is that Neocities basically has the same censorship rules as the internet itself. In other words, no censorship. A murderer can turn their PC into a server and self-publish images of his victims for all to see. They will get caught, and the server shut down, but the point is he didn't need to go through a censorship body to get the images published. Exactly how it should be.