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Sun Grid Engine used to be open source, but now Oracle Grid Engine isn't. But what's far worse, in my opinion as a user, is that Oracle made many of the existin

Sun Grid Engine used to be open source, but now Oracle Grid Engine isn't. But what's far worse, in my opinion as a user, is that Oracle made many of the existing documentation and community support resources hosted by Sun disappear.

chii 13y ago
because these sorts of resources are worth money, especially if instead of self-help, you had to pay a "professional services company" to help you. By removing it, Oracle can lay claim to more professional services clients. Or, it could just be incompentance on their end in maintaining the server...
beedogs 13y ago
If it makes you feel any better, most of the big companies I work with are moving full-stop from Solaris on SPARC to Linux on x86-64. People who make the purchasing decisions are finally fed up with Oracle's incompetence and utter contempt for the rest of the industry. It's a shame, but I won't really miss Sun when they're finally, mercifully put to death. I hate Oracle for what they did to that company and I wish nothing but ill toward them.
- deleted 13y ago
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  - easytiger 13y ago
    This is near universal in all of the financial world except for some legacy systems
- dspillett 13y ago
  The problem with wishing the company death is that we know what it will do in the final times. It'll become another SCO generally making life inconvenient for everyone for many years before we finally see the back of it.
  - flyinRyan 13y ago
    What do you suggest? They are making life inconvenient for everyone now and will continue to do so. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and put up with a one time pain and get it over with.
    - dspillett 13y ago
      Ideal world (i.e. never going to happen): let evil people keep buying their stuff and getting screwed by them, but keep the rest of us out of it!
      - flyinRyan 13y ago
        Didn't the financial crisis teach you that we can't be kept out of it?
  - laumars 13y ago
    We've already seen elements of this trait with their case against Google regarding Dalvik.
cx91 13y ago
Interestingly enough, the response seems to be people moving towards Slurm [1], at least for newly deployed systems. Anyone know of other open-source resource managers out there? [1] https://computing.llnl.gov/linux/slurm/ https://computing.llnl.gov/linux/slurm/
- michaelhoffman 13y ago
  There are several I can think of: Open Grid Scheduler, TORQUE, Condor (ugh), and Slurm.
laumars 13y ago
Oracle make a huge chunk of money from support contracts. I don't have any figures to hand, but when I used to work heavily with Oracle, the support contracts far exceeded the licence costs. And then they have the epic certification fees, on-site consultants and developers, and so on. So as much as it pains me to say this, I can totally understand why Oracle have removed those resources because it's flies in the face of their business practices: 1. build something massively complex and counter intuitive to developer for and administrate 2. employ the best salesmen to encourage potential customers that your product is the most powerful and flexible tool out there 3. then charge your confused customers ridiculous support fees because they can't manage the solutions they've just bought This is why my heart sank when Oracle bought Sun. The two businesses couldn't have a more different software culture (Sun Enterprises were, in my opinion, were one of the best for releasing open, well documented and well designed software)

chii 13y ago

because these sorts of resources are worth money, especially if instead of self-help, you had to pay a "professional services company" to help you. By removing it, Oracle can lay claim to more professional services clients. Or, it could just be incompentance on their end in maintaining the server...

beedogs 13y ago

If it makes you feel any better, most of the big companies I work with are moving full-stop from Solaris on SPARC to Linux on x86-64. People who make the purchasing decisions are finally fed up with Oracle's incompetence and utter contempt for the rest of the industry. It's a shame, but I won't really miss Sun when they're finally, mercifully put to death. I hate Oracle for what they did to that company and I wish nothing but ill toward them.

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- easytiger 13y ago
  This is near universal in all of the financial world except for some legacy systems
dspillett 13y ago
The problem with wishing the company death is that we know what it will do in the final times. It'll become another SCO generally making life inconvenient for everyone for many years before we finally see the back of it.
- flyinRyan 13y ago
  What do you suggest? They are making life inconvenient for everyone now and will continue to do so. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and put up with a one time pain and get it over with.
  - dspillett 13y ago
    Ideal world (i.e. never going to happen): let evil people keep buying their stuff and getting screwed by them, but keep the rest of us out of it!
    - flyinRyan 13y ago
      Didn't the financial crisis teach you that we can't be kept out of it?
- laumars 13y ago
  We've already seen elements of this trait with their case against Google regarding Dalvik.

cx91 13y ago

Interestingly enough, the response seems to be people moving towards Slurm [1], at least for newly deployed systems. Anyone know of other open-source resource managers out there? [1] https://computing.llnl.gov/linux/slurm/ https://computing.llnl.gov/linux/slurm/

michaelhoffman 13y ago
There are several I can think of: Open Grid Scheduler, TORQUE, Condor (ugh), and Slurm.

laumars 13y ago

Oracle make a huge chunk of money from support contracts. I don't have any figures to hand, but when I used to work heavily with Oracle, the support contracts far exceeded the licence costs. And then they have the epic certification fees, on-site consultants and developers, and so on. So as much as it pains me to say this, I can totally understand why Oracle have removed those resources because it's flies in the face of their business practices: 1. build something massively complex and counter intuitive to developer for and administrate 2. employ the best salesmen to encourage potential customers that your product is the most powerful and flexible tool out there 3. then charge your confused customers ridiculous support fees because they can't manage the solutions they've just bought This is why my heart sank when Oracle bought Sun. The two businesses couldn't have a more different software culture (Sun Enterprises were, in my opinion, were one of the best for releasing open, well documented and well designed software)