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F# and the CLR aren't proprietary?

by cgag 13y ago

seanmcdirmid 13y ago
Mono isn't proprietary.
- spartango 13y ago
  In my experience Mono is a bit like the OpenJDK was a few years ago: Most things work, but there are a few things that are broken in unavoidable ways. Similarly, the performance isn't terrible, but the optimization is not quite at the same place as the original platform. Xamarin's rapid work suggests that there will be a 'production-ready' CLR for most platforms (they've got it down for iOS, Android, and recently OSX) soon enough.
  - MetaCosm 13y ago
    I feel like Xamarin is in the uncanny valley of language / tooling features. Close enough to working to make the brokenness feel so much worse. If it was more raw, less IDE friendly (ala Go) that would be fine... or was more polished and had a better Xamarin IDE and plugin system, that would be fine as well. Right now, they are stuck in the odd middle, but it is still an amazing value if you are building common code cross platform apps.
- Fice 13y ago
  Yes, but it can be a patent trap: https://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono https://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29#Mono_and_Microsoft.27s_patents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29#Mono_and_M...
  - jackfoxy 13y ago
    This patent trap commentary is 4 years old. I don't think this is on anyone's radar anymore. Otherwise Xamarin would not even exist.
jackfoxy 13y ago
Microsoft has open sourced F# http://fsharp.org/ http://fsharp.org/ and the fsharp.org community is very proactive. As for the CLR, it is an ECMA and ISO standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure
profquail 13y ago
F# is licensed under Apache 2.0: https://github.com/fsharp/fsharp/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/fsharp/fsharp/blob/master/LICENSE The Windows-based implementation of the CLR is proprietary, but as other posters have mentioned, it's built around an open, standardized specification (ECMA-335). Xamarin has been making big strides in improving Mono over the past year, and it'll only continue to get better.

F# and the CLR aren't proprietary?

by cgag 13y ago

F# and the CLR aren't proprietary?

seanmcdirmid 13y ago

Mono isn't proprietary.

spartango 13y ago
In my experience Mono is a bit like the OpenJDK was a few years ago: Most things work, but there are a few things that are broken in unavoidable ways. Similarly, the performance isn't terrible, but the optimization is not quite at the same place as the original platform. Xamarin's rapid work suggests that there will be a 'production-ready' CLR for most platforms (they've got it down for iOS, Android, and recently OSX) soon enough.
- MetaCosm 13y ago
  I feel like Xamarin is in the uncanny valley of language / tooling features. Close enough to working to make the brokenness feel so much worse. If it was more raw, less IDE friendly (ala Go) that would be fine... or was more polished and had a better Xamarin IDE and plugin system, that would be fine as well. Right now, they are stuck in the odd middle, but it is still an amazing value if you are building common code cross platform apps.
Fice 13y ago
Yes, but it can be a patent trap: https://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono https://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29#Mono_and_Microsoft.27s_patents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29#Mono_and_M...
- jackfoxy 13y ago
  This patent trap commentary is 4 years old. I don't think this is on anyone's radar anymore. Otherwise Xamarin would not even exist.

jackfoxy 13y ago

Microsoft has open sourced F# http://fsharp.org/ http://fsharp.org/ and the fsharp.org community is very proactive. As for the CLR, it is an ECMA and ISO standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure

profquail 13y ago

F# is licensed under Apache 2.0: https://github.com/fsharp/fsharp/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/fsharp/fsharp/blob/master/LICENSE The Windows-based implementation of the CLR is proprietary, but as other posters have mentioned, it's built around an open, standardized specification (ECMA-335). Xamarin has been making big strides in improving Mono over the past year, and it'll only continue to get better.