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> the Chinese do not give 2 shits about pollution and sustainability Are you saying that isn't racial prejudice? I understand you may have a grudge, but how w

by Volpe 13y ago

> the Chinese do not give 2 shits about pollution and sustainability Are you saying that isn't racial prejudice? I understand you may have a grudge, but how would you describe that?

untog 13y ago
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Chinese government, not individual Chinese people.
- Volpe 13y ago
  If that is what they meant, then sure, that is what my other points in my post addressed.
- dcc1 13y ago
  I was talking about the Chinese government, if its people do care about the environment but try to do something about it they would get labelled as dissidents and prosecuted. Thats what you get for living in an authoritarian state keeping its people under thumb in order to further the party And stop with the "racist" crap, in light of news of widespread NSA surveilance and changes over last year the USA ain that far behind. It didnt take long for members of the Ministry of Truth to popup and try to "reeducate" readers regarding my earlier comments.
  - Volpe 13y ago
    > in light of news of widespread NSA surveilance and changes over last year the USA ain that far behind. Oh I see, so we can just generalise about any country because the US is doing horrible things. > It didnt take long for members of the Ministry of Truth to popup and try to "reeducate" readers regarding my earlier comments. More wumao bullshit. Just because someone doesn't buy into the US constructed narrative of "US is good, cares about it's people and the environment, China is evil and just wants to control the world" they have to be Chinese shills... How about showing me some data that proves I'm wrong? EDIT: Here is some that shows I'm right: http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly=2003;lb=f;il=t;fs=11;al=30;stl=t;st=t;nsl=t;se=t$wst;tts=C$ts;sp=5.59290322580644;ti=2011$zpv;v=0$inc_x;mmid=XCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj1jiMAkmq1iMg;by=ind$inc_y;mmid=YCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj2tPLxKvvnNPA;by=ind$inc_s;uniValue=8.21;iid=phAwcNAVuyj0XOoBL_n5tAQ;by=ind$inc_c;uniValue=255;gid=CATID0;by=grp$map_x;scale=log;dataMin=283;dataMax=110808$map_y;scale=lin;dataMin=18;dataMax=87$map_s;sma=1;smi=1$cd;bd=0$inds=i239_t001970,,,,;i44_t001970,,,,;modified=75 http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly...
    - dcc1 13y ago
      I never made such an argument, you are the one building strawmen and going off on a tangent trying to deflect from my point which hits the bullsye The "Party" (calling them Communist is a bit of a joke by now) only cares about its own survival and continuing grip on power and control of 1/6th of the worlds population.
      - Volpe 13y ago
        If it only cared about control then why wouldn't it just be doing what North Korea is doing? Why would it be working so hard to improve things? It's not a strawman it's very pertinent. I think you need to read Capital (Marx), before judging whether they are communist/socialist, either way they call themselves that.
seanmcdirmid 13y ago
You do realize that Chinese is not even an ethnicity right? I mean, you have Kazakhs, Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongolians, Koreans and even some Russians who all are born in China and have Chinese citizenship. Saying "the Chinese think blah" is the same as saying "the Americans think blah". So stop with the racist crap. If he said "the Han do no care about pollution or the environment" then fine, you'd have a great point.
- Volpe 13y ago
  So blacks/whites are in the same boat? Could never be used to say anything racist because multiple ethnicities exist within those categories... riiiiight.

by Volpe 13y ago

> the Chinese do not give 2 shits about pollution and sustainability Are you saying that isn't racial prejudice? I understand you may have a grudge, but how would you describe that?

untog 13y ago

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Chinese government, not individual Chinese people.

Volpe 13y ago
If that is what they meant, then sure, that is what my other points in my post addressed.
dcc1 13y ago
I was talking about the Chinese government, if its people do care about the environment but try to do something about it they would get labelled as dissidents and prosecuted. Thats what you get for living in an authoritarian state keeping its people under thumb in order to further the party And stop with the "racist" crap, in light of news of widespread NSA surveilance and changes over last year the USA ain that far behind. It didnt take long for members of the Ministry of Truth to popup and try to "reeducate" readers regarding my earlier comments.
- Volpe 13y ago
  > in light of news of widespread NSA surveilance and changes over last year the USA ain that far behind. Oh I see, so we can just generalise about any country because the US is doing horrible things. > It didnt take long for members of the Ministry of Truth to popup and try to "reeducate" readers regarding my earlier comments. More wumao bullshit. Just because someone doesn't buy into the US constructed narrative of "US is good, cares about it's people and the environment, China is evil and just wants to control the world" they have to be Chinese shills... How about showing me some data that proves I'm wrong? EDIT: Here is some that shows I'm right: http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly=2003;lb=f;il=t;fs=11;al=30;stl=t;st=t;nsl=t;se=t$wst;tts=C$ts;sp=5.59290322580644;ti=2011$zpv;v=0$inc_x;mmid=XCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj1jiMAkmq1iMg;by=ind$inc_y;mmid=YCOORDS;iid=phAwcNAVuyj2tPLxKvvnNPA;by=ind$inc_s;uniValue=8.21;iid=phAwcNAVuyj0XOoBL_n5tAQ;by=ind$inc_c;uniValue=255;gid=CATID0;by=grp$map_x;scale=log;dataMin=283;dataMax=110808$map_y;scale=lin;dataMin=18;dataMax=87$map_s;sma=1;smi=1$cd;bd=0$inds=i239_t001970,,,,;i44_t001970,,,,;modified=75 http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly...
  - dcc1 13y ago
    I never made such an argument, you are the one building strawmen and going off on a tangent trying to deflect from my point which hits the bullsye The "Party" (calling them Communist is a bit of a joke by now) only cares about its own survival and continuing grip on power and control of 1/6th of the worlds population.
    - Volpe 13y ago
      If it only cared about control then why wouldn't it just be doing what North Korea is doing? Why would it be working so hard to improve things? It's not a strawman it's very pertinent. I think you need to read Capital (Marx), before judging whether they are communist/socialist, either way they call themselves that.

seanmcdirmid 13y ago

You do realize that Chinese is not even an ethnicity right? I mean, you have Kazakhs, Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongolians, Koreans and even some Russians who all are born in China and have Chinese citizenship. Saying "the Chinese think blah" is the same as saying "the Americans think blah". So stop with the racist crap. If he said "the Han do no care about pollution or the environment" then fine, you'd have a great point.

Volpe 13y ago
So blacks/whites are in the same boat? Could never be used to say anything racist because multiple ethnicities exist within those categories... riiiiight.