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Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new

by mojuba 13y ago

Curiously, my first association was "jet engine", was amused to learn that to many it's a trash can. Am I the only one whose breath was taken away by this new design? Power desktop seriously revisited for the first time since the 80's, anyone?

bargl 13y ago
This was my first thought. http://goo.gl/nVBNJ http://goo.gl/nVBNJ
- sp332 13y ago
  You don't need link shorteners on HN. It's (a little) rude to hide the destination you're asking people to click. The link goes to http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/dyson-table-fan-10-air-multiplier?ID=692392&cm_mmc=Google_DMA_Home_Electricc_PLA-_-PLA+Home+Brands+-+Electrics+Coop_PLA+-+Electricc+-+Dyson+-+Sale-_-23382488937_-_-_mkwid_VRS7VyAW|d{device}_23382488937|-|VRS7VyAW http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/dyson-table-fan-10-air-mu... which is Dyson's fan.
  - bargl 13y ago
    Well snap. Sorry man. It was more of a function of not knowing versus trying to be rude. I actually went out of my way to shorten it to be (what I thought was) courteous, but you make a valid point and I can see how that is actually quite sketchy. I can see how that would be taboo. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
stock_toaster 13y ago
It reminded me of a big battery. I thought it was cool!
sinnerswing 13y ago
Everyone made fun of the i"Pad" 3 years ago. Now everyone owns one.
- angersock 13y ago
  Everyone in the Valley, maybe. I don't think that statement is true for the rest of America, or much outside of the US.
  - glenra 13y ago
    "everyone" might be an exaggeration but the adoption curve for iPad is ramping up a lot faster than for the iPhone. Apple has sold over 100 million iPads so far.
  - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
    China 1st tier city checking in, definitely true here. Maybe you meant out in the countryside?
- dsego 13y ago
  everyone made fun of the g4 cube... and they still do.
  - sinnerswing 13y ago
    your comment would've been a lot funnier if the company who built the g4 cube wasn't the most valuable company in the world.
vacri 13y ago
The 'power desktop' has been revisited since the 80s - the 'all in one' was a revisit.
pilooch 13y ago
Someone here said 'Champagne holder' ;)
Shivetya 13y ago
nah, dyson fans have used similar bases for years. I kid, I kid. Honestly though I do not care for an integrated "pro" machine. This is form over function. Fail a component and its off to the shop. Combined with, if I want to upgrade them I need to replace the unit. If they are going to integrate everything then they need to drop the price. Integration implies lower costs as having all the support needed to drive user added cards and internal drives can be done away with. Plus its not like I want to have an octopus of cables on my desk and moving storage to all external does that. Benefits, perhaps driving the thunderbolt prices down and having new and interesting devices to connect to the system. In the end integration means commodity, just expensive. Can't wait to see what they want for it, I figure on three thousand minimum, which would be a third too much for something so inflexible. Apple, meet Dyson
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  This is form over function. Exactly why I'm not taking it seriously. What does form do for a power desktop? Nothing. I put my desktop under my desk. I can't see it. I have to stoop to reach the power button. I'm not going to say there's absolutely no use for form in any desktop, but IMO it's practically the number one least important feature of a power desktop/workhorse.
  - dragos2 13y ago
    The new design might bring some improvement on cooling a lot of powerful hardware stashed inside a small space while keeping the noise level to a minimum.
  - rickmode 13y ago
    To me this looks like an example of Apple's craftsmanship in depth where quality and elegance can be seen at multiple levels, from the case to the internal hardware to the OS and its APIs. Certainly one can find flaws, but compared to a typical Windows machine Apple has more craftsmanship (in my opinion). Windows exhibits more of the "just get it done" utilitarian idea.
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tailrecursion 13y ago
I agree. Apple has used the geometry of the device to assist more with cooling, and shares the heat sink among components, and uses one large slow fan. This kind of thing really pushes my buttons. It's 10" high, which is unexpectedly compact. It seems like the designers have chosen a shape to maximize use of space. I'm sure it isn't the only way to go but it's a wonderful next step. Again Apple has shown us what we want when we thought we just wanted "more".
- untog 13y ago
  It's 10" high, which is unexpectedly compact. But at what cost? Everyone likes to bash big box PCs but the fact is that every single component of one can be swapped out for another. Something tells me that won't be the case for the Mac Pro, and when all it's going to do is sit under my desk, I can afford to have it be a little less compact.
  - potatolicious 13y ago
    You're not the target audience. Notice the demo apps for the Mac Pro during the keynote: Final Cut Pro. The Mac Pro is not, and will not, be a developer's machine (though it could be). There's the overall computing market, which overwhelmingly favors laptops. A subset of this market desires powerful desktop computers. An even smaller subset desires a self-serviceable desktop computer. For everyone else, particularly people who who use these machines to make a living and are not overly technical (and have no real reason to be), a Mac Pro with a good support contract attached is far more valuable than one they can open and tinker with. I think this particular point is overblown. Everywhere I look developers have overwhelmingly switched to MacBooks to little ill effect - machines that are far less expandable and less maintainable than these Mac Pros. It turns out that, if you use these machines to make money, it makes a lot more sense to let Apple take care of problems than to roll up your shirt. Doubly so if you can't tell the front of a DIMM from the back. Developers will continue buying MacBook Pros in droves. The Mac Pro is overwhelmingly a media machine.
  - dvanduzer 13y ago
    They've collapsed the IDE / SCSI / PCI / AGP / etc buses with Thunderbolt. That custom PC swappable component issue mattered when the only game in town for hermetically sealed boxes was USB (or Firewire). And even then, this chassis looks like it'd be quite easy to upgrade the internals[0]. [0] http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/newmacpro.jpg http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/newmacpro.jpg
moultano 13y ago
I think it looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see one in person. My only hesitation about the design is that cylinders don't snuggle well with other computing equipment.
anthonyb 13y ago
Except that they have the fan backwards - suck air up from the floor... along with all of the dust and crap. Unless you're supposed to have this on your desk to show it off. I suppose that wouldn't be unusual...
- morsch 13y ago
  The air being heated naturally flows upwards, so blowing downwards in such a design is a very bad idea. Ideally (and for it to be truly a relevant design), the whole thing is silent at the very least while idle, using very little if any fan and relying on convection to do most of the cooling.
  - anthonyb 13y ago
    So how many cubic feet per minute will convection cause in this case? 1? 10? Fans will move a hundred cfm or more without much noise. Both of my recent hardware failures have been caused by dust accumulating in heatsinks, so having something which contributes to that is also a "very bad idea". Especially since the air passes through a relatively confined space which you can't regularly clear out.
    - morsch 13y ago
      What constitutes much noise is subjective, I suppose, but any fan moving hundreds of cfm will be very loud. A 140mm fan moving 20 to 30 cfm is still audible, if you're in a quiet room. A common approach is to have an intake filter that catches dust. Another is to elevate the case a few inches above the ground.
      - anthonyb 13y ago
        I have intake filters on my PC, and it's also somewhere around 2 feet off the ground. Still cops a lot of dust.
Aqueous 13y ago
I love making fun of it but of course I'm just hiding my admiration. At one point I owned an iMac G4 lamp-shade and it seems to hearken back to that design - especially the bottom vents. Ive and co clearly felt they had to come out with something as unique as that lamp-shade design (although it was discontinued, probably because it was really easy to snap in half) and new to inspire excitement about Apple again. It's really sleek, and not nearly as unwieldy as the lampshade iMac. Apple and Tesla routinely set new standards for industrial design. I predict they will sell like hotcakes, not just among professionals but for home users as well.

by mojuba 13y ago

bargl 13y ago

This was my first thought. http://goo.gl/nVBNJ http://goo.gl/nVBNJ

sp332 13y ago
You don't need link shorteners on HN. It's (a little) rude to hide the destination you're asking people to click. The link goes to http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/dyson-table-fan-10-air-multiplier?ID=692392&cm_mmc=Google_DMA_Home_Electricc_PLA-_-PLA+Home+Brands+-+Electrics+Coop_PLA+-+Electricc+-+Dyson+-+Sale-_-23382488937_-_-_mkwid_VRS7VyAW|d{device}_23382488937|-|VRS7VyAW http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/dyson-table-fan-10-air-mu... which is Dyson's fan.
- bargl 13y ago
  Well snap. Sorry man. It was more of a function of not knowing versus trying to be rude. I actually went out of my way to shorten it to be (what I thought was) courteous, but you make a valid point and I can see how that is actually quite sketchy. I can see how that would be taboo. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

stock_toaster 13y ago

It reminded me of a big battery. I thought it was cool!

sinnerswing 13y ago

Everyone made fun of the i"Pad" 3 years ago. Now everyone owns one.

angersock 13y ago
Everyone in the Valley, maybe. I don't think that statement is true for the rest of America, or much outside of the US.
- glenra 13y ago
  "everyone" might be an exaggeration but the adoption curve for iPad is ramping up a lot faster than for the iPhone. Apple has sold over 100 million iPads so far.
- seanmcdirmid 13y ago
  China 1st tier city checking in, definitely true here. Maybe you meant out in the countryside?
dsego 13y ago
everyone made fun of the g4 cube... and they still do.
- sinnerswing 13y ago
  your comment would've been a lot funnier if the company who built the g4 cube wasn't the most valuable company in the world.

vacri 13y ago

The 'power desktop' has been revisited since the 80s - the 'all in one' was a revisit.

pilooch 13y ago

Someone here said 'Champagne holder' ;)

Shivetya 13y ago

nah, dyson fans have used similar bases for years. I kid, I kid. Honestly though I do not care for an integrated "pro" machine. This is form over function. Fail a component and its off to the shop. Combined with, if I want to upgrade them I need to replace the unit. If they are going to integrate everything then they need to drop the price. Integration implies lower costs as having all the support needed to drive user added cards and internal drives can be done away with. Plus its not like I want to have an octopus of cables on my desk and moving storage to all external does that. Benefits, perhaps driving the thunderbolt prices down and having new and interesting devices to connect to the system. In the end integration means commodity, just expensive. Can't wait to see what they want for it, I figure on three thousand minimum, which would be a third too much for something so inflexible. Apple, meet Dyson

sliverstorm 13y ago
This is form over function. Exactly why I'm not taking it seriously. What does form do for a power desktop? Nothing. I put my desktop under my desk. I can't see it. I have to stoop to reach the power button. I'm not going to say there's absolutely no use for form in any desktop, but IMO it's practically the number one least important feature of a power desktop/workhorse.
- dragos2 13y ago
  The new design might bring some improvement on cooling a lot of powerful hardware stashed inside a small space while keeping the noise level to a minimum.
- rickmode 13y ago
  To me this looks like an example of Apple's craftsmanship in depth where quality and elegance can be seen at multiple levels, from the case to the internal hardware to the OS and its APIs. Certainly one can find flaws, but compared to a typical Windows machine Apple has more craftsmanship (in my opinion). Windows exhibits more of the "just get it done" utilitarian idea.
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tailrecursion 13y ago

I agree. Apple has used the geometry of the device to assist more with cooling, and shares the heat sink among components, and uses one large slow fan. This kind of thing really pushes my buttons. It's 10" high, which is unexpectedly compact. It seems like the designers have chosen a shape to maximize use of space. I'm sure it isn't the only way to go but it's a wonderful next step. Again Apple has shown us what we want when we thought we just wanted "more".

untog 13y ago
It's 10" high, which is unexpectedly compact. But at what cost? Everyone likes to bash big box PCs but the fact is that every single component of one can be swapped out for another. Something tells me that won't be the case for the Mac Pro, and when all it's going to do is sit under my desk, I can afford to have it be a little less compact.
- potatolicious 13y ago
  You're not the target audience. Notice the demo apps for the Mac Pro during the keynote: Final Cut Pro. The Mac Pro is not, and will not, be a developer's machine (though it could be). There's the overall computing market, which overwhelmingly favors laptops. A subset of this market desires powerful desktop computers. An even smaller subset desires a self-serviceable desktop computer. For everyone else, particularly people who who use these machines to make a living and are not overly technical (and have no real reason to be), a Mac Pro with a good support contract attached is far more valuable than one they can open and tinker with. I think this particular point is overblown. Everywhere I look developers have overwhelmingly switched to MacBooks to little ill effect - machines that are far less expandable and less maintainable than these Mac Pros. It turns out that, if you use these machines to make money, it makes a lot more sense to let Apple take care of problems than to roll up your shirt. Doubly so if you can't tell the front of a DIMM from the back. Developers will continue buying MacBook Pros in droves. The Mac Pro is overwhelmingly a media machine.
- dvanduzer 13y ago
  They've collapsed the IDE / SCSI / PCI / AGP / etc buses with Thunderbolt. That custom PC swappable component issue mattered when the only game in town for hermetically sealed boxes was USB (or Firewire). And even then, this chassis looks like it'd be quite easy to upgrade the internals[0]. [0] http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/newmacpro.jpg http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/newmacpro.jpg

moultano 13y ago

I think it looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see one in person. My only hesitation about the design is that cylinders don't snuggle well with other computing equipment.

anthonyb 13y ago

Except that they have the fan backwards - suck air up from the floor... along with all of the dust and crap. Unless you're supposed to have this on your desk to show it off. I suppose that wouldn't be unusual...

morsch 13y ago
The air being heated naturally flows upwards, so blowing downwards in such a design is a very bad idea. Ideally (and for it to be truly a relevant design), the whole thing is silent at the very least while idle, using very little if any fan and relying on convection to do most of the cooling.
- anthonyb 13y ago
  So how many cubic feet per minute will convection cause in this case? 1? 10? Fans will move a hundred cfm or more without much noise. Both of my recent hardware failures have been caused by dust accumulating in heatsinks, so having something which contributes to that is also a "very bad idea". Especially since the air passes through a relatively confined space which you can't regularly clear out.
  - morsch 13y ago
    What constitutes much noise is subjective, I suppose, but any fan moving hundreds of cfm will be very loud. A 140mm fan moving 20 to 30 cfm is still audible, if you're in a quiet room. A common approach is to have an intake filter that catches dust. Another is to elevate the case a few inches above the ground.
    - anthonyb 13y ago
      I have intake filters on my PC, and it's also somewhere around 2 feet off the ground. Still cops a lot of dust.

Aqueous 13y ago

I love making fun of it but of course I'm just hiding my admiration. At one point I owned an iMac G4 lamp-shade and it seems to hearken back to that design - especially the bottom vents. Ive and co clearly felt they had to come out with something as unique as that lamp-shade design (although it was discontinued, probably because it was really easy to snap in half) and new to inspire excitement about Apple again. It's really sleek, and not nearly as unwieldy as the lampshade iMac. Apple and Tesla routinely set new standards for industrial design. I predict they will sell like hotcakes, not just among professionals but for home users as well.