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Apple Updates Safari
- turrini 13y agoNow with PRISM support! j/k
- dakrisht 13y agoThing is, that's definitely NOT a joke
- waxjar 13y agoAn iCloud keychain? No thanks.
- mpyne 13y agoYes, announcing that right after PRISM is leaked may not be the best idea. :)
- drivebyacct2 13y agoThe last side basically says: "encrypted client side".
- mpyne 13y agoWell, HN has told me that the NSA is all-powerful, so I'll take that with a grain of cyber-salt. /s Edit: Non-sarcastically, but what about the metadata about the keys?
- wavefunction 13y agolike the position of the keys on the keyboard you pressed when you typed your password? it's meta-data ;)
- pajju 13y agoLastPass does this really well for all devices, works with any browser, even mobile too! This iCloud key chain must be Safari only! :)
- mitchty 13y agoJust wish I could use it more easily on ios. The lastpass app is OK, and the bookmarklet is meh.
- Someone 13y agoFireFox already interfaces with the normal KeyChain. Why must it be Safari only?
- namityadav 13y agoI thought they'll add KeyChain integration in iOS more deeply. Something like, "If you tap-hold on a password field in an iOS app, the OS will ask you if you want to paste the password from your KeyChain." That's where it becomes much more useful than LastPass.
- stock_toaster 13y agoIsn't the keychain encrypted client side though?
- chongli 13y agoHow do we know they aren't holding our private key in escrow?
- mitchty 13y agoHow about we hold off on leaping to conclusions before we see how it works?
- chongli 13y agoI'm not leaping to any conclusions. I think my question is totally fair. Is Apple providing the source code to this system so that we can audit it? Or do we just have to trust one of the companies implicated in the PRISM scandal?
- jfb 13y agoI will be interested in seeing how well this works, given what a pig's breakfast the old .Mac keychain syncing was.
- ceejayoz 13y agoThe average non-technical user is going to be far better off with that than the current state of "password1!" used on every site across the internet.
- jonknee 13y agoThe average non-technical user will now have "password1!" synced with iCloud.
- e1ven 13y agoIt automatically suggests new passwords based on Random strings when it sees a password box.
- jonknee 13y agoThe average user already has created most of the accounts she will create. Outside of HN not everyone is trying out new services everyday. I could also see many people being confused by a random password and think to themselves that they'll never remember it and then override to use their trusty [but] insecure password. It's also not cross platform so not a solution for many people. It's not Apple's fault, I'm sure it's a great password manager. The problem is passwords are broken. Managers are a good band aid, but fundamentally passwords are broken.
- 3rd3 13y agoWhat would a better solution look like?
- parasubvert 13y agoFunny, I thought "at last!" 1Password is fine, but I'd prefer a more integrated experience.
- waxjar 13y agoThe idea an sich is good. In light of last week's news however, I'll stick with 1Password.
- joeblau 13y agoHopefully they got rid of whatever "Safari Web Content" was doing. That is the primary reason I don't use Safari.
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- calebegg 13y agoAre you talking about the process in Activity Monitor? It's just Safari's rendering worker process, just like Chrome's "Google Chrome Worker" processes. What it was "doing" is rendering pages and running javascript. If it gets out of control, CPU or memory-wise, it is almost certainly a misbehaving tab.
- MatthewPhillips 13y ago> Apple announced the next version of Safari which will launch with OS X Mavericks. Does this mean it's launching at the same time as Mavericks or does it mean it's launching only with Mavericks?
- gohrt 13y agoThe news cycle rolls on. Let's see how challenger WWDC fares against defender PRISM.
- mpyne 13y agoI saw another story today about someone experimenting with their sleep/life/work cycle. Felt like old times!
- untog 13y agoPRISM will be a top story again when something new of substance happens. Are they supposed to be reporting 'nothing changed in PRISM scandal' as a top story?
- hayksaakian 13y agoI think this is precisely why the original reporter made it clear that there was new information that has yet to be revealed. If they blow their news all at once, they won't get a sustained reaction as they would by releasing snippits every day.
- 3rd3 13y agoThere should be a way to vote for an ongoing event to remain at the top of the frontpage of HN for some days or weeks in form of a link to all related stories/links. I'm sure this could be done in a very automated way, showing milestone articles on a timeline, best comments etc.
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- rfnslyr 13y agoCan anyone explain this? http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/scaled-screen-shot-2013-06-10-at-1-35-27-pm.png?w=620&h=473 http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/scaled-s... Is that real or just BS?
- mosqutip 13y agoSeems BS to me. Looks just like their "performance" pages for the Macbook Pro on the Apple website.
- rfnslyr 13y agoYeah I'm going to need a technical rundown before I believe some random slide.
- conroy 13y agoI'm going with BS until they provide more details. They don't even mention what version of Chrome and Firefox they are testing against.
- othermaciej 13y agoIts's real. You can try the benchmark yourself here, and learn how it is different from other JS benchmarks <http://jsbench.cs.purdue.edu/> http://jsbench.cs.purdue.edu/>.
- mdasen 13y agoIt's likely "real". By real, I mean that I just ran JSBench on my MacBook Air with Safari and Chrome (latest released version of each) and Safari came out significantly ahead (Chrome took 1.75x longer). They're claiming 2.53x faster than Chrome in that slide so that would mean an improvement of probably around 50% over the current Safari in terms of JS speed on this benchmark. So, it would seem that this particular benchmark already favors Safari's JS engine and that the next Safari will improve on the current Safari's performance. Now, the issue with JSBench is that it's real-world JS, but only from 5 sources. Granted, they're 5 sources that are very high-trafficked, but it's still a small sample size (http://jsbench.cs.purdue.edu/ http://jsbench.cs.purdue.edu/). Similarly, Apple showed off SunSpider benchmarks showing the next Safari being faster than Chrome. The current Safari on my MacBook Air beats Chrome, with Chrome taking 6.9% longer. So, part of it is that each browser maker has its preferred benchmarks.
- codereflection 13y agoGoogle Chrome Team: "Ah snap, and we just dropped WebKit!" Edit: It's a joke, guys. :/
- richbradshaw 13y agoNothing in there was particularly unknown as far as I know – Webkit 2 has been around for a while, Blink wanted a different direction on much of the newer architectural decisions IIRC.
- SF_Startup 13y agoSpeaking of BLINK, Dallas based IIICTECH has been using BLINK for years. They're getting trampled by both Google & Microsoft. So mutch for having a good idea & having a far shot at owning intellectual property... like a trademark. (www.ismorethan.com) http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/01/prweb10367324.htm http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/01/prweb10367324.htm
- SF_Startup 13y agoSpeaking of BLINK, Dallas based IIICTECH has been using BLINK for years. They're getting trampled by both Google & Microsoft. So mutch for having a good idea & having a far shot at owning intellectual property... like a trademark. (www.ismorethan.com) http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/01/prweb10367324.htm http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/01/prweb10367324.htm
- revelation 13y agoThey have been using different JavaScript interpreters all along. Chrome also had per-tab processes since (it feels like) 2010.
- atacrawl 13y agoI actually downgraded back to v5 because of the terrible changes they made to Web Inspector in v6, so I'm pretty annoyed that they didn't even mention it when introducing the new version -- at a developers' conference, no less!
- othermaciej 13y agoIt's not in the keynote, but if you get the Developer Preview you can see what's new.
- suyash 13y agoSafari 6.x is jam packed with new web inspector capabilities. What are you talking about?
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- MBCook 13y agoIt's more capable, unfortunately the interface is rather inscrutable. It's a bunch of little tiny icons with no context you have to guess at. When I have a lot of work to do debugging something, I switch over to Chrome which still has the old style layout, because I find it much easier to use.
- jarek-foksa 13y agoIn terms of the supported Web Platform APIs, is this new Safari release any different from the recent WebKit snapshots? (http://nightly.webkit.org/builds/trunk/mac/1 http://nightly.webkit.org/builds/trunk/mac/1) Also, is WebKit2 framework still private on OSX 10.9?