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Unfortunately such a social network would probably be so dominated by tinfoil-hat crazies that it would be unusable. The thing about social networks is of cours

Unfortunately such a social network would probably be so dominated by tinfoil-hat crazies that it would be unusable. The thing about social networks is of course that the people you want to socially network with need to be there. On the other hand you would be fully up to date at all times on the evils of vaccines and water fluoridation.

robotmay 13y ago
Nothing gets me riled up like a vaccination denier. I can't even hold a conversation with them, I just get really angry.
- cinquemb 13y ago
  You could just agree to disagree with them without expanding such emotional energy. Though I wonder when dissemination of vaccines will be more of a science instead of "We know this strand of virus is going around, everyone come here and get a shot of xyz because it is good for you and will protect you all", especially since overdosage of the massess will eventually lead to resistant strands. It would be really cool to have a personal 23andMe api where people can test themselves without sending data to a 3rd party.
  - criley 13y ago
    >It would be really cool to have a personal 23andMe api where people can test themselves without sending data to a 3rd party. The point of 23andMe is that they're trying to figure out what all the data means, using the data itself. You can go get your genome sequenced or a partial sequencing like 23andMe does and get the giant, raw output file. And sit and stare at it. I know I've played with that data in bio lab before. It's not exactly easy to infer data out of it. Which is why having a lot of different sets of data, and information about the person the data came from, can help us. Without a third party aggregating genomic data for study, we're not going to be able to understand the genome, and certainly not going to be able to deliver private, accurate and useful analysis of personal data.
  - dorolow 13y ago
    That's certainly the most mature way to handle such disagreements, I don't think there is any disagreement there. However, it's damn hard to accept that line of reasoning when those opinions lead to a decrease in herd immunity and put the lives of immunocompromised individuals, such as myself, and others at risk because of pseudoscience, a single debunked study, and a former porn star. It's not simply unacceptable, it's asinine and infuriating.
    - cinquemb 13y ago
      And putting oneself in a fit because someone is sharing their viewpoint (as opinion or fact) isn't asinine? There is also a decrease in "herd immunity" when a population has been flooded with a drug to the point where such immunizations have no effect à la "superbugs".
      - JamisonM 13y ago
        Your comment seems to misunderstand the difference between vaccinations and antibiotic treatments. Herd immunity disallows an organism a foothold in a population, it is not present to become immune - it is something entirely separate from the emergence of superbugs immune to all or most known antibiotic treatments.
        cinquemb 13y ago
        How is the emergence of superbugs immunity to antibiotic treatments entirely separate when they are different strands of organisms that were previously treated?
        JamisonM 13y ago
        Vaccinations and treatment are completely different things and vaccines and antibiotics are also completely different things. There are plenty of resources on the Internet that explain these matters - if you can get past the anti-vaccine psuedoscience search engine spam. For example you can find plenty of people trying to blame resistant Whooping Cough on vaccines when the most likely cause is the reduction of vaccination rates, not the presence of vaccinations in the first place. I'd be the first to admit I am no expert so if you have real interest in the topic I would go looking for someone better qualified to talk to than me.
  - anoncow 13y ago
    can you elaborate on the emergence of resistant strains due to mass vaccination?
- alive-or-not 13y ago
  Hello, I'm a vaccination denier :) I don't deny the science behind the vaccines, but the motives of the people who ultimately control the process. The same people have taken away the average person privacy IMHO will as easily take away say his capability to produce children. But I guess it's easier to close your eyes and keep imagining that the elite has the same moral as yours and would never do horrible things.
  - JamisonM 13y ago
    If you do not deny the science behind vaccines then you probably have a moral responsibility to make sure you and your children are vaccinated. I know how bad it is to have vaccinated people in the population but you only believe or suspect that the people producing that vaccines are part of an evil cabal of elites looking to destroy society. I think you have to go with the certainty on that one, don't you?
tlrobinson 13y ago
Don't forget about chemtrails!

robotmay 13y ago

Nothing gets me riled up like a vaccination denier. I can't even hold a conversation with them, I just get really angry.

cinquemb 13y ago
You could just agree to disagree with them without expanding such emotional energy. Though I wonder when dissemination of vaccines will be more of a science instead of "We know this strand of virus is going around, everyone come here and get a shot of xyz because it is good for you and will protect you all", especially since overdosage of the massess will eventually lead to resistant strands. It would be really cool to have a personal 23andMe api where people can test themselves without sending data to a 3rd party.
- criley 13y ago
  >It would be really cool to have a personal 23andMe api where people can test themselves without sending data to a 3rd party. The point of 23andMe is that they're trying to figure out what all the data means, using the data itself. You can go get your genome sequenced or a partial sequencing like 23andMe does and get the giant, raw output file. And sit and stare at it. I know I've played with that data in bio lab before. It's not exactly easy to infer data out of it. Which is why having a lot of different sets of data, and information about the person the data came from, can help us. Without a third party aggregating genomic data for study, we're not going to be able to understand the genome, and certainly not going to be able to deliver private, accurate and useful analysis of personal data.
- dorolow 13y ago
  That's certainly the most mature way to handle such disagreements, I don't think there is any disagreement there. However, it's damn hard to accept that line of reasoning when those opinions lead to a decrease in herd immunity and put the lives of immunocompromised individuals, such as myself, and others at risk because of pseudoscience, a single debunked study, and a former porn star. It's not simply unacceptable, it's asinine and infuriating.
  - cinquemb 13y ago
    And putting oneself in a fit because someone is sharing their viewpoint (as opinion or fact) isn't asinine? There is also a decrease in "herd immunity" when a population has been flooded with a drug to the point where such immunizations have no effect à la "superbugs".
    - JamisonM 13y ago
      Your comment seems to misunderstand the difference between vaccinations and antibiotic treatments. Herd immunity disallows an organism a foothold in a population, it is not present to become immune - it is something entirely separate from the emergence of superbugs immune to all or most known antibiotic treatments.
      - cinquemb 13y ago
        How is the emergence of superbugs immunity to antibiotic treatments entirely separate when they are different strands of organisms that were previously treated?
        JamisonM 13y ago
        Vaccinations and treatment are completely different things and vaccines and antibiotics are also completely different things. There are plenty of resources on the Internet that explain these matters - if you can get past the anti-vaccine psuedoscience search engine spam. For example you can find plenty of people trying to blame resistant Whooping Cough on vaccines when the most likely cause is the reduction of vaccination rates, not the presence of vaccinations in the first place. I'd be the first to admit I am no expert so if you have real interest in the topic I would go looking for someone better qualified to talk to than me.
- anoncow 13y ago
  can you elaborate on the emergence of resistant strains due to mass vaccination?
alive-or-not 13y ago
Hello, I'm a vaccination denier :) I don't deny the science behind the vaccines, but the motives of the people who ultimately control the process. The same people have taken away the average person privacy IMHO will as easily take away say his capability to produce children. But I guess it's easier to close your eyes and keep imagining that the elite has the same moral as yours and would never do horrible things.
- JamisonM 13y ago
  If you do not deny the science behind vaccines then you probably have a moral responsibility to make sure you and your children are vaccinated. I know how bad it is to have vaccinated people in the population but you only believe or suspect that the people producing that vaccines are part of an evil cabal of elites looking to destroy society. I think you have to go with the certainty on that one, don't you?

tlrobinson 13y ago

Don't forget about chemtrails!