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That's simply not true. CP is a massive black market business - operated by sex slave gangs in various parts of the world (e.g. Eastern Europe). They are sophi

by ErrantX 13y ago

That's simply not true. CP is a massive black market business - operated by sex slave gangs in various parts of the world (e.g. Eastern Europe). They are sophisticated and wealthy operations, which is why it is next to impossible to make any inroads into catching them. Hence targeting the consumers (which I agree is like closing the stable door...)

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
I think you’re missing my point: there are millions of teens experimenting on the Internet, stripping and masturbating in front of webcams. The number of people involved with what you describe is orders of magnitude smaller.
jkn 13y ago
I don't know why OP's answer is marked "dead", it makes sense to me so I'll repost it: I think you’re missing my point: there are millions of teens experimenting on the Internet, stripping and masturbating in front of webcams. The number of people involved with what you describe is orders of magnitude smaller. I don't have the numbers but this seems plausible to me. And as OP said, this behavior from children will certainly get only more prevalent as time goes on.
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Dylan16807 13y ago
Okay maybe comments get dead from certain words in them. Let me try reposting a redacted version of Samuel_Michon's post: I think you’re missing my point: there are millions of teens experimenting on the Internet, [...] in front of webcams. The number of people involved with what you describe is orders of magnitude smaller.
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  Thanks for that, and best use of ‘[...]’ ever. Given how people think, those blanks will be filled in with way dirtier words than I used before.
  - ErrantX 13y ago
    I missed your use of the word "producers" in the original post. So, yes, raw numbers... but that's only a minore part of the picture. The kind of material you describe is very much borderline, and not really the sort of CP that the law is largely concerned with (despite the high profile examples that hit the media).
    - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
      > The kind of material you describe is very much borderline Do you think there are limits to what young people will do in front of a webcam? Or do you believe only older teens perform such acts? Which part do you think is considered ‘borderline’ by law? > not really the sort of CP that the law is largely concerned with I’d be very interested in a copy of the book you’ve got that mentions which laws count and which ones don’t. As you admitted to yourself, there have been plenty of cases in which teens using webcams have been convicted for producing and distributing child porn.
      - ErrantX 13y ago
        > Do you think there are limits to what young people will do in front of a webcam? You misunderstand; by borderline I mean that the observed age of the participant is subjective. And it relates back to the age old issue; at 17 years 364 days it's illegal, the next it's legal. As an expert analyst you have to give it some degree of leeway because it's very hard to judge the difference. > Or do you believe only older teens perform such acts? Well, yes, to a certain extent. It's getting worse because younger generations are more sexualised, but for younger teens on-webcam activities are more often related to coercion (MSN is still a favourite avenue for grooming). > As you admitted to yourself, there have been plenty of cases in which teens using webcams have been convicted for producing and distributing child porn. Plenty amongst.. millions (by your count). I never saw a case (out of the hundreds I worked on and many more I saw) of that sort, but when they happen they make the media (because, rightfully, it is ridiculous). The guidance may have changed in recent months, as I am not 100% current, but not very long ago CPS feedback was that prosecutions were targeted at those seeking younger pornography, particularly of the "commercial" variety, or those actively grooming youngsters.
cabalamat 13y ago
The argument against piracy is it reduces the amount of new content that gets produced. If states believe this argument, they should legalise the distribution of child porn where no money changes hands. Alternately, if they don't believe it, they should stop trying to shut down The Pirate Bay and other Torrent sites. They cannot have it both ways, without being hypocrites.

by ErrantX 13y ago

Samuel_Michon 13y ago

I think you’re missing my point: there are millions of teens experimenting on the Internet, stripping and masturbating in front of webcams. The number of people involved with what you describe is orders of magnitude smaller.

jkn 13y ago

I don't know why OP's answer is marked "dead", it makes sense to me so I'll repost it: I think you’re missing my point: there are millions of teens experimenting on the Internet, stripping and masturbating in front of webcams. The number of people involved with what you describe is orders of magnitude smaller. I don't have the numbers but this seems plausible to me. And as OP said, this behavior from children will certainly get only more prevalent as time goes on.

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Dylan16807 13y ago

Okay maybe comments get dead from certain words in them. Let me try reposting a redacted version of Samuel_Michon's post: I think you’re missing my point: there are millions of teens experimenting on the Internet, [...] in front of webcams. The number of people involved with what you describe is orders of magnitude smaller.

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
Thanks for that, and best use of ‘[...]’ ever. Given how people think, those blanks will be filled in with way dirtier words than I used before.
- ErrantX 13y ago
  I missed your use of the word "producers" in the original post. So, yes, raw numbers... but that's only a minore part of the picture. The kind of material you describe is very much borderline, and not really the sort of CP that the law is largely concerned with (despite the high profile examples that hit the media).
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    > The kind of material you describe is very much borderline Do you think there are limits to what young people will do in front of a webcam? Or do you believe only older teens perform such acts? Which part do you think is considered ‘borderline’ by law? > not really the sort of CP that the law is largely concerned with I’d be very interested in a copy of the book you’ve got that mentions which laws count and which ones don’t. As you admitted to yourself, there have been plenty of cases in which teens using webcams have been convicted for producing and distributing child porn.
    - ErrantX 13y ago
      > Do you think there are limits to what young people will do in front of a webcam? You misunderstand; by borderline I mean that the observed age of the participant is subjective. And it relates back to the age old issue; at 17 years 364 days it's illegal, the next it's legal. As an expert analyst you have to give it some degree of leeway because it's very hard to judge the difference. > Or do you believe only older teens perform such acts? Well, yes, to a certain extent. It's getting worse because younger generations are more sexualised, but for younger teens on-webcam activities are more often related to coercion (MSN is still a favourite avenue for grooming). > As you admitted to yourself, there have been plenty of cases in which teens using webcams have been convicted for producing and distributing child porn. Plenty amongst.. millions (by your count). I never saw a case (out of the hundreds I worked on and many more I saw) of that sort, but when they happen they make the media (because, rightfully, it is ridiculous). The guidance may have changed in recent months, as I am not 100% current, but not very long ago CPS feedback was that prosecutions were targeted at those seeking younger pornography, particularly of the "commercial" variety, or those actively grooming youngsters.

cabalamat 13y ago

The argument against piracy is it reduces the amount of new content that gets produced. If states believe this argument, they should legalise the distribution of child porn where no money changes hands. Alternately, if they don't believe it, they should stop trying to shut down The Pirate Bay and other Torrent sites. They cannot have it both ways, without being hypocrites.