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You're going to complain about taking a 30 minutes break after a 2 hours drive? Also, if you charge your car every night, you should have enough range to drive

by kiba 13y ago

You're going to complain about taking a 30 minutes break after a 2 hours drive? Also, if you charge your car every night, you should have enough range to drive to work.

pixie_ 13y ago
If you think having to take a 30 minute break after 2 hours of driving ISN'T a big deal then you are way out of touch.
- SwellJoe 13y ago
  I drive long distances very frequently (I live in a motorhome, spent most of four years travelling full-time, and currently now travel about 3-4 months out of the year). I recommend this kind of pace, regardless of whether you need to fill up or not. It makes for a happier journey, and a more fulfilling one. But, then again, gas stations aren't exactly where I want to stop for 30 minutes every two hours. My 30 minute stops are rest areas, local or state parks, interesting restaurants, lakes, monuments, etc. It's rare that I want to spend 30 minutes at a gas station. So, while I think stopping for 30 minutes every 2 hours isn't a big deal, and I don't think I'm way out of touch. But, since I wouldn't get to determine where I stop for 30 minutes ever 2 hours in the current Tesla scenario, it is a big deal. Presumably, and allegedly, this 30 minute problem will soon fade. I'm impressed that a cross-country trip will be possible this year. That's amazing progress; I'm blown away by Musk's vision and ability to deliver it.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  I've driven straight across the country (2700 miles per trip) several times in the past 5 years, and stopping 30 minutes every few hours is not a big deal. Unless you are into amphetamines or falling asleep at the wheel, it is the only way to do it for any extended amount of time.
  - waterlesscloud 13y ago
    "Unless you are into amphetamines or falling asleep at the wheel, it is the only way to do it for any extended amount of time." This is simply not a true statement. It may be your personal preference, but it is not at all universal.
    - rdl 13y ago
      I can do SF to Vegas without stopping (except for fuel, and in a diesel truck with extra tanks, without stopping). My preference is generally top stop and have a meal at Harris Ranch, too (which, conveniently, is where the supercharger is), or at In-N-Out in Bakersfield, but that's about it. SF to Seattle is the really hard one. SF to Portland is something I can do (without starting absurdly early, or maybe even after a full day of doing other stuff), but going all the way to Seattle is hard, and stopping in Portland seems silly (since it's only 3h more to Seattle). Unfortunately, everything between Redding/Weed and Portland seems to be Methland.
      - markvdb 13y ago
        Safely driving over 1300km (edit: SF to Seattle) without stopping is impossible. http://drowsydriving.org/about/facts-and-stats/ http://drowsydriving.org/about/facts-and-stats/ Please adjust your driving behavior.
        rdl 13y ago
        It's 636 miles to Portland. I've averaged in the 70mph range on that trip, since there are stretches of I-5 where much higher speeds are fairly safe (and the speed limit is 75 on a lot of it). 9h of concentration isn't that unreasonable, since you do need to stop for gas once (in Oregon, usually, which means it's slow). San Jose to Vegas is 523 miles, and doing that in 6-7 hours is quite feasible (although it's entirely possible for it to take 12-14 hours with traffic on I-5 and I-15 if things go wrong)
        Retric 13y ago
        1300 km is 800 miles or 11.5 hours at 70mph + one fill up. I don't see most people being able to do that without zoning out.
baddox 13y ago
Twenty percent of your road time spent not moving? Yes, I would complain about that. I don't think anyone who has taken any considerable road trip would find this strange.
- joshdance 13y ago
  Most car owners, including Tesla owners, don't take that many road trips. You drive in the range you charge it at night. If you do take a road trip, schedule the stop for dinner at the same time as the recharge.
  - atwebb 13y ago
    What if I'm driving from the mid-US to a coast? It's around 8-10 hours of just drive time.
  - baddox 13y ago
    The whole point of this transcontinental charge network, at least as it has been marketed, is for road trips. If you're driving across the country it's unlikely that you will want to stop for 30 minutes every 2 hours. I could see two or three 30 minute stops per day at the most.
1123581321 13y ago
A typical person in the US used to driving distances would have no trouble driving eight hours in a row stopping only for 1-2 gas breaks and one bathroom/food break. Edit: and two such people in a car could easily drive 12-24 hours alternating. For example, my friends drive between Texas and Illinois and expect to complete the trip in under 24 hours. It's okay that the Tesla isn't going after that market yet, but getting them to change their habits for the car is unlikely to happen. That's okay!
- nknighthb 13y ago
  > my friends drive between Texas and Illinois That could be anywhere from ~430 miles, in which case you can probably get there by starting with a full battery and making a single charge stop, to more than 1400 miles. Please be more specific as to the origin and destination.
  - 1123581321 13y ago
    I was thinking of a distance for which arriving in under 24 hours would be doable but not without frequent stops. To use a specific example, these people drive from Chicago to Kerrville which is about 19 hours according to Google Maps. Arriving in 24 hours would probably not be possible even if no time was wasted getting into and out of charging stations. Edit reply: it's a few refills but each is quick and lasts longer than a battery charge. Would estimate 5 minutes for human needs every 3-6 hours is reasonable. I don't believe this is unusual long-distance driving behavior. And again, I don't think Tesla should be judged right now on their ability to cater to that market; we should be looking at how well Tesla serves those driving a couple hundred miles or several hundred miles in a more leisurely fashion.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      First, the only likely way to make that trip with only one stop for gas is to do it in a car getting better than 40mpg, so unless they're in a good hybrid and haven't loaded it down too much, I'm pretty sure they're going to get gas twice. Second, I don't know about you, but unless I'm dehydrated, I pee rather more often than once every six hours, and I definitely stop more often than that on the occasional ~800 mile road trip I take. Assuming this game of telephone hasn't gone too badly awry, your friends are extreme outliers, not "a typical person in the US used to driving distances".
300bps 13y ago
Based on the mounds of recent research, taking a 30 minute break to walk around after 2 hours of sitting is recommended for your health: http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135575490/sitting-all-day-worse-for-you-than-you-might-think http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135575490/sitting-all-day-wors...

by kiba 13y ago

You're going to complain about taking a 30 minutes break after a 2 hours drive? Also, if you charge your car every night, you should have enough range to drive to work.

pixie_ 13y ago

If you think having to take a 30 minute break after 2 hours of driving ISN'T a big deal then you are way out of touch.

SwellJoe 13y ago
I drive long distances very frequently (I live in a motorhome, spent most of four years travelling full-time, and currently now travel about 3-4 months out of the year). I recommend this kind of pace, regardless of whether you need to fill up or not. It makes for a happier journey, and a more fulfilling one. But, then again, gas stations aren't exactly where I want to stop for 30 minutes every two hours. My 30 minute stops are rest areas, local or state parks, interesting restaurants, lakes, monuments, etc. It's rare that I want to spend 30 minutes at a gas station. So, while I think stopping for 30 minutes every 2 hours isn't a big deal, and I don't think I'm way out of touch. But, since I wouldn't get to determine where I stop for 30 minutes ever 2 hours in the current Tesla scenario, it is a big deal. Presumably, and allegedly, this 30 minute problem will soon fade. I'm impressed that a cross-country trip will be possible this year. That's amazing progress; I'm blown away by Musk's vision and ability to deliver it.
jlgreco 13y ago
I've driven straight across the country (2700 miles per trip) several times in the past 5 years, and stopping 30 minutes every few hours is not a big deal. Unless you are into amphetamines or falling asleep at the wheel, it is the only way to do it for any extended amount of time.
- waterlesscloud 13y ago
  "Unless you are into amphetamines or falling asleep at the wheel, it is the only way to do it for any extended amount of time." This is simply not a true statement. It may be your personal preference, but it is not at all universal.
  - rdl 13y ago
    I can do SF to Vegas without stopping (except for fuel, and in a diesel truck with extra tanks, without stopping). My preference is generally top stop and have a meal at Harris Ranch, too (which, conveniently, is where the supercharger is), or at In-N-Out in Bakersfield, but that's about it. SF to Seattle is the really hard one. SF to Portland is something I can do (without starting absurdly early, or maybe even after a full day of doing other stuff), but going all the way to Seattle is hard, and stopping in Portland seems silly (since it's only 3h more to Seattle). Unfortunately, everything between Redding/Weed and Portland seems to be Methland.
    - markvdb 13y ago
      Safely driving over 1300km (edit: SF to Seattle) without stopping is impossible. http://drowsydriving.org/about/facts-and-stats/ http://drowsydriving.org/about/facts-and-stats/ Please adjust your driving behavior.
      - rdl 13y ago
        It's 636 miles to Portland. I've averaged in the 70mph range on that trip, since there are stretches of I-5 where much higher speeds are fairly safe (and the speed limit is 75 on a lot of it). 9h of concentration isn't that unreasonable, since you do need to stop for gas once (in Oregon, usually, which means it's slow). San Jose to Vegas is 523 miles, and doing that in 6-7 hours is quite feasible (although it's entirely possible for it to take 12-14 hours with traffic on I-5 and I-15 if things go wrong)
        Retric 13y ago
        1300 km is 800 miles or 11.5 hours at 70mph + one fill up. I don't see most people being able to do that without zoning out.

baddox 13y ago

Twenty percent of your road time spent not moving? Yes, I would complain about that. I don't think anyone who has taken any considerable road trip would find this strange.

joshdance 13y ago
Most car owners, including Tesla owners, don't take that many road trips. You drive in the range you charge it at night. If you do take a road trip, schedule the stop for dinner at the same time as the recharge.
- atwebb 13y ago
  What if I'm driving from the mid-US to a coast? It's around 8-10 hours of just drive time.
- baddox 13y ago
  The whole point of this transcontinental charge network, at least as it has been marketed, is for road trips. If you're driving across the country it's unlikely that you will want to stop for 30 minutes every 2 hours. I could see two or three 30 minute stops per day at the most.

1123581321 13y ago

A typical person in the US used to driving distances would have no trouble driving eight hours in a row stopping only for 1-2 gas breaks and one bathroom/food break. Edit: and two such people in a car could easily drive 12-24 hours alternating. For example, my friends drive between Texas and Illinois and expect to complete the trip in under 24 hours. It's okay that the Tesla isn't going after that market yet, but getting them to change their habits for the car is unlikely to happen. That's okay!

nknighthb 13y ago
> my friends drive between Texas and Illinois That could be anywhere from ~430 miles, in which case you can probably get there by starting with a full battery and making a single charge stop, to more than 1400 miles. Please be more specific as to the origin and destination.
- 1123581321 13y ago
  I was thinking of a distance for which arriving in under 24 hours would be doable but not without frequent stops. To use a specific example, these people drive from Chicago to Kerrville which is about 19 hours according to Google Maps. Arriving in 24 hours would probably not be possible even if no time was wasted getting into and out of charging stations. Edit reply: it's a few refills but each is quick and lasts longer than a battery charge. Would estimate 5 minutes for human needs every 3-6 hours is reasonable. I don't believe this is unusual long-distance driving behavior. And again, I don't think Tesla should be judged right now on their ability to cater to that market; we should be looking at how well Tesla serves those driving a couple hundred miles or several hundred miles in a more leisurely fashion.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    First, the only likely way to make that trip with only one stop for gas is to do it in a car getting better than 40mpg, so unless they're in a good hybrid and haven't loaded it down too much, I'm pretty sure they're going to get gas twice. Second, I don't know about you, but unless I'm dehydrated, I pee rather more often than once every six hours, and I definitely stop more often than that on the occasional ~800 mile road trip I take. Assuming this game of telephone hasn't gone too badly awry, your friends are extreme outliers, not "a typical person in the US used to driving distances".

300bps 13y ago

Based on the mounds of recent research, taking a 30 minute break to walk around after 2 hours of sitting is recommended for your health: http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135575490/sitting-all-day-worse-for-you-than-you-might-think http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135575490/sitting-all-day-wors...