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Every time I read the word passion in one of these articles I cringe. This has to be the most overused word in silicon valley. It's really just a convenient way

Every time I read the word passion in one of these articles I cringe. This has to be the most overused word in silicon valley. It's really just a convenient way to abuse people. Can't work 90 hours? Not passionate enough. Have a family commitment? Where's your passion? Passion. We get it already.

nitrogen 13y ago
It doesn't happen nearly as often, but I also cringe when I hear the word "stability" used as a euphemism to indicate a desire for someone with a mortgage and family. Discrimination comes in many forms.
dylangs1030 13y ago
Ha, you forgot this list: "disrupt!" "only the beginning" "ninja" "agile" "seamless" "social media"
- allsystemsgo 13y ago
  Disrupt is a good one. I love how organizations will use it, and then when you join said organization you're encouraged to do anything but that.
- mimiflynn 13y ago
  "rockstar"
- dopamean 13y ago
  "beautiful." particularly when speaking of UI
rubinelli 13y ago
The thing people forget about passion is that it doesn't last. Passion is for kids. By all means, work on what you love, but remember you're an adult and set the right pace.
- gordaco 13y ago
  Absolutely this. I used to be passionate, in the first months of my (poorly paid) first job. I won't commit the same mistake again, I learned quickly that life is more important than work.
willbill 13y ago
I also cringe whenever I see 'Now building things' in a person's profile. What were you doing before?
MisterBastahrd 13y ago
Every time I read "engineer," I cringe. I don't give a crap how fantastic you are at programming, if you don't have a college degree then you aren't an engineer.
- h0w412d 13y ago
  So your title isn't dependent on your accomplishments or abilities, but only your schooling?
  - MisterBastahrd 13y ago
    Can you call yourself a lawyer because you enjoy reading your state constitution? Can you call yourself an MD because you read r/poppit? No. Engineer is a professional designation. It requires a BS, a series of exams, and years of work experience. Engineers are regulated by professional organizations. Unless you've gone through the training and the tests, you aren't an engineer. You're a developer.
    - geebee 13y ago
      I disagree. In the vernacular, the term engineer is more casually used, like scientist. Lawyer means member of the bar, Physician means licensed to practice medicine. Engineer has multiple meanings depending on the context. A patient in a hospital would be confused by a literature PhD claiming to be a Doctor. I don't think a "sound engineer" or "special effects engineer" should apply for a job in a construction firm with the title "engineer", but I don't think the public is endangered by the ambiguity here. That said, I strongly discourage software developers from using the term "engineering", mainly because I don't want the PE folks to start thinking they have any sort of business licensing software practitioners or getting involved in evaluating their competence. As a math major (abet one with an MS in Industrial Engineering), I put no claim on engineering, and I dispute any claim engineering has over software. I think CS is more a branch of math than of engineering - so if the PE folks want to interfere in this, they can start by going back to college and taking a couple years of real analysis, abstract algebra, complex analysis, advanced linear algebra (with proofs, not some watered down "applications" course), and number theory. When they're ready to pass an in-depth exam on those subjects in order to get licensed to write code (after failing the first time), they'll have a taste of what regulatory capture really means.
taurath 13y ago
Thanks for this. I've burned out before. I enjoy my work, respect what my company's goals are, and am working to get better at my job and programming in general. I also like having a social life - try to think about how many people from past jobs you are really in contact with?

nitrogen 13y ago

It doesn't happen nearly as often, but I also cringe when I hear the word "stability" used as a euphemism to indicate a desire for someone with a mortgage and family. Discrimination comes in many forms.

dylangs1030 13y ago

Ha, you forgot this list: "disrupt!" "only the beginning" "ninja" "agile" "seamless" "social media"

allsystemsgo 13y ago
Disrupt is a good one. I love how organizations will use it, and then when you join said organization you're encouraged to do anything but that.
mimiflynn 13y ago
"rockstar"
dopamean 13y ago
"beautiful." particularly when speaking of UI

rubinelli 13y ago

The thing people forget about passion is that it doesn't last. Passion is for kids. By all means, work on what you love, but remember you're an adult and set the right pace.

gordaco 13y ago
Absolutely this. I used to be passionate, in the first months of my (poorly paid) first job. I won't commit the same mistake again, I learned quickly that life is more important than work.

willbill 13y ago

I also cringe whenever I see 'Now building things' in a person's profile. What were you doing before?

MisterBastahrd 13y ago

Every time I read "engineer," I cringe. I don't give a crap how fantastic you are at programming, if you don't have a college degree then you aren't an engineer.

h0w412d 13y ago
So your title isn't dependent on your accomplishments or abilities, but only your schooling?
- MisterBastahrd 13y ago
  Can you call yourself a lawyer because you enjoy reading your state constitution? Can you call yourself an MD because you read r/poppit? No. Engineer is a professional designation. It requires a BS, a series of exams, and years of work experience. Engineers are regulated by professional organizations. Unless you've gone through the training and the tests, you aren't an engineer. You're a developer.
  - geebee 13y ago
    I disagree. In the vernacular, the term engineer is more casually used, like scientist. Lawyer means member of the bar, Physician means licensed to practice medicine. Engineer has multiple meanings depending on the context. A patient in a hospital would be confused by a literature PhD claiming to be a Doctor. I don't think a "sound engineer" or "special effects engineer" should apply for a job in a construction firm with the title "engineer", but I don't think the public is endangered by the ambiguity here. That said, I strongly discourage software developers from using the term "engineering", mainly because I don't want the PE folks to start thinking they have any sort of business licensing software practitioners or getting involved in evaluating their competence. As a math major (abet one with an MS in Industrial Engineering), I put no claim on engineering, and I dispute any claim engineering has over software. I think CS is more a branch of math than of engineering - so if the PE folks want to interfere in this, they can start by going back to college and taking a couple years of real analysis, abstract algebra, complex analysis, advanced linear algebra (with proofs, not some watered down "applications" course), and number theory. When they're ready to pass an in-depth exam on those subjects in order to get licensed to write code (after failing the first time), they'll have a taste of what regulatory capture really means.

taurath 13y ago

Thanks for this. I've burned out before. I enjoy my work, respect what my company's goals are, and am working to get better at my job and programming in general. I also like having a social life - try to think about how many people from past jobs you are really in contact with?