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It all started with a guy who came to ##apple and asked for help with repairing his computer. Things... escalated quickly from there, mini-Streisand effect and

by klausa 13y ago

It all started with a guy who came to ##apple and asked for help with repairing his computer. Things... escalated quickly from there, mini-Streisand effect and heavy use of banhammer included. http://pastebin.com/8CJLkdwm http://pastebin.com/8CJLkdwm

tvon 13y ago
Probably the worst possible way Branes could have handled what would have been an insignificant incident to most.
nwh 13y ago
#apple on where?
- asiekierka 13y ago
  ##apple, FreeNode. EDIT: +m has been lifted. Nobody is mentioning the issue at the moment.
- deleted 13y ago
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acc00 13y ago
Looking at the log: thanks for reminding me why I no longer do IRC. All the banhammer dramas, all the time. (This has nothing to do with information leakage or Apple.)
- TheCowboy 13y ago
  I'm not familiar with this channel in question, but I feel that my experiences on Freenode have been very positive as far as online communities go. Most people are still helpful and civil. Though it's unfortunate that many channels, in general, seem to get corrupted and grow stale when carbon copies of this Brane-type of channel operator become part of the 'ruling party'.
- incision 13y ago
  >Looking at the log: thanks for reminding me why I no longer do IRC. Precisely my feeling. It's been at least 12 years yet seeing that stereotypical smiley self-importance took me right back.
- welterde 13y ago
  There are plenty of channels that have no operator and thus none of that banning, etc. drama (and there are of course +something channels, which cannot have any modes on them or modes on nicks inside the channel and thus always operate on the everyone decides for themselves who is annoying and who isn't principle).
- shrughes 13y ago
  It's a Freenode channel, unsurprisingly. Try IRCing elsewhere.
- jarek 13y ago
  > All the banhammer dramas, all the time. Thank god there's none of that on HN.
  - tripzilch 13y ago
    We got hellbans. Much cleaner.
    - mikeash 13y ago
      I wonder how hellbanning would work on IRC. Seems like it could be brilliant.
      - tripzilch 13y ago
        A server could easily implement it, there must be some plugins that do exactly that. Disclaimer: I'm pretty much opposed to any type of hellban except in some very specific circumstances (that wouldn't apply to HN).
        mikeash 13y ago
        Just curious, why do you oppose hellbanning? I find it a rather neat solution, but have little experience with it in general.
        luke_s 13y ago
        I am opposed to hellbanning on hacker news. I believe it hurts our community for the following reasons: * It lacks transparency - nobody knows who is hellbanned, and why they were hellbanned. There is no appeal. * It is a crude tool - hellbanning somebody fails to take into account that they could reform their behavior, or just have made some bad decisions in the heat of an argument. * There have been cases I have seen where useful or interesting comments have been lost because the poster is hellbanned. This demonstrates that it doesn't just have theoretical flaws - it actually is causing us to lose valuable content.
joezydeco 13y ago
I'm a little confused here. Is this an official Apple-run IRC channel and Branes is an Apple employee?
- mahgnous 13y ago
  No, he's just a little troll op that thinks he knows things.
WinnyDaPoo 13y ago
Plenty more bans are being made. To be fair, the topic itself states: Breaking NDA, asking about warez, hackintosh, unsupported VMs or proprietary information = kickban. Obviously this is proprietary information, so it doesn't belong in ##apple.
- asiekierka 13y ago
  To be fair, that was only added 15 minutes after the events in the pastebin. I was there for it.
miles 13y ago
The response (That will be reported to AppleCare Services. Good luck getting help from an authorised Apple service provider, you'll need it.) reminds me of this blast from the past: Berkeley laptop thief is scared out of his wits by professor http://boingboing.net/2005/04/20/berkeley-laptop-thie.html http://boingboing.net/2005/04/20/berkeley-laptop-thie.html
- X-Istence 13y ago
  Thief didn't hand over the laptop ... not sure he was scared out of his wits.
- deleted 13y ago
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- ben1040 13y ago
  Internet Archive version of the transcript, since the link in the article seems to go to a blog that's offline: http://web.archive.org/web/20050424001416/http://blastradius.blogspot.com/2005/04/world-of-pain.html http://web.archive.org/web/20050424001416/http://blastradius...
mikeash 13y ago
I'm severely tempted to join and start trolling these jerks.

by klausa 13y ago

tvon 13y ago

Probably the worst possible way Branes could have handled what would have been an insignificant incident to most.

nwh 13y ago

#apple on where?

asiekierka 13y ago
##apple, FreeNode. EDIT: +m has been lifted. Nobody is mentioning the issue at the moment.
deleted 13y ago
[deleted]

acc00 13y ago

Looking at the log: thanks for reminding me why I no longer do IRC. All the banhammer dramas, all the time. (This has nothing to do with information leakage or Apple.)

TheCowboy 13y ago
I'm not familiar with this channel in question, but I feel that my experiences on Freenode have been very positive as far as online communities go. Most people are still helpful and civil. Though it's unfortunate that many channels, in general, seem to get corrupted and grow stale when carbon copies of this Brane-type of channel operator become part of the 'ruling party'.
incision 13y ago
>Looking at the log: thanks for reminding me why I no longer do IRC. Precisely my feeling. It's been at least 12 years yet seeing that stereotypical smiley self-importance took me right back.
welterde 13y ago
There are plenty of channels that have no operator and thus none of that banning, etc. drama (and there are of course +something channels, which cannot have any modes on them or modes on nicks inside the channel and thus always operate on the everyone decides for themselves who is annoying and who isn't principle).
shrughes 13y ago
It's a Freenode channel, unsurprisingly. Try IRCing elsewhere.
jarek 13y ago
> All the banhammer dramas, all the time. Thank god there's none of that on HN.
- tripzilch 13y ago
  We got hellbans. Much cleaner.
  - mikeash 13y ago
    I wonder how hellbanning would work on IRC. Seems like it could be brilliant.
    - tripzilch 13y ago
      A server could easily implement it, there must be some plugins that do exactly that. Disclaimer: I'm pretty much opposed to any type of hellban except in some very specific circumstances (that wouldn't apply to HN).
      - mikeash 13y ago
        Just curious, why do you oppose hellbanning? I find it a rather neat solution, but have little experience with it in general.
        luke_s 13y ago
        I am opposed to hellbanning on hacker news. I believe it hurts our community for the following reasons: * It lacks transparency - nobody knows who is hellbanned, and why they were hellbanned. There is no appeal. * It is a crude tool - hellbanning somebody fails to take into account that they could reform their behavior, or just have made some bad decisions in the heat of an argument. * There have been cases I have seen where useful or interesting comments have been lost because the poster is hellbanned. This demonstrates that it doesn't just have theoretical flaws - it actually is causing us to lose valuable content.

joezydeco 13y ago

I'm a little confused here. Is this an official Apple-run IRC channel and Branes is an Apple employee?

mahgnous 13y ago
No, he's just a little troll op that thinks he knows things.

WinnyDaPoo 13y ago

Plenty more bans are being made. To be fair, the topic itself states: Breaking NDA, asking about warez, hackintosh, unsupported VMs or proprietary information = kickban. Obviously this is proprietary information, so it doesn't belong in ##apple.

asiekierka 13y ago
To be fair, that was only added 15 minutes after the events in the pastebin. I was there for it.

miles 13y ago

The response (That will be reported to AppleCare Services. Good luck getting help from an authorised Apple service provider, you'll need it.) reminds me of this blast from the past: Berkeley laptop thief is scared out of his wits by professor http://boingboing.net/2005/04/20/berkeley-laptop-thie.html http://boingboing.net/2005/04/20/berkeley-laptop-thie.html

X-Istence 13y ago
Thief didn't hand over the laptop ... not sure he was scared out of his wits.
deleted 13y ago
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ben1040 13y ago
Internet Archive version of the transcript, since the link in the article seems to go to a blog that's offline: http://web.archive.org/web/20050424001416/http://blastradius.blogspot.com/2005/04/world-of-pain.html http://web.archive.org/web/20050424001416/http://blastradius...

mikeash 13y ago

I'm severely tempted to join and start trolling these jerks.