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Vim hall of honour

122 points by stratosvoukel 13y ago

pokoleo 13y ago
And.... down. Google Web Cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8LEimVZjxrgJ:www.vim.org/sponsor/hall_of_honour.php+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8LEimV...
kk3 13y ago
www.freeonlineapps.com www.freeonlineapps.com is a very generous person.
- saraid216 13y ago
  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.vim.org%2Faccount%2Fprofile.php%3Fuser_id%3D8235 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.v... If you were curious.
- hyperbovine 13y ago
  I genuinely thought this was bot spam.
Dylan16807 13y ago
Can someone explain the title? Quoting in case the overaggressive title changer happens to stop by: Vim is certainly worth more than 100 euro (vim.org)
- rlt3 13y ago
  I think the OP is trying to suggest that the lower limit of 100 euro to get into the Hall of Honour is much too low.
ConceitedCode 13y ago
Yes, it is worth more than a 100 euro, but you really couldn't use a better title?
throwaway1980 13y ago
> Vim is certainly worth more than 100 euro (original title) The monetary value of a copy of free / open source software is effectively zero, provided that at least some people are distributing it without restrictions and free of charge such that it is readily available.
- jmhain 13y ago
  Nobody tell Red Hat.
- frabcus 13y ago
  The original wording was carefully chosen - things can cost less than they are worth.
  - throwaway1980 13y ago
    Not if we are talking about monetary worth, which is what 100 euro denotes. Unless I am severely mistaken in my understanding of economics.
    - cabacon 13y ago
      Look into producer and consumer surplus. In any exchange, you'll tend to find that the value of the items exchanged are worth more to the receiving party than the giving party. It's practically essential to agreeing to a trade. The consumer surplus is the excess value the buyer receives. Think "I would have paid €5 for that drink right now, but they only charged me €2!" The producer surplus is how much more someone paid than the producer was willing to sell it for. The same thing can be worth different amounts to different people. Airlines in particular are good at price discrimination: trying to extract as high a price as possible, capturing the possible consumer surplus. Universities too. Lots of things get no-haggle prices that ignore this difference between price and value.
      - throwaway1980 13y ago
        So you're saying that this person was implying that even though the price is 0 euro, the consumer surplus is greater than 100 euro? I can understand this reasoning, so thanks for explaining it. I'm not sure I believe that consumer surplus can be measured outside of controlled psychology experiments, since it's only speculation and talk is cheap. I guess I always thought that the value (or worth - these are the same, right?) of something in an efficient market is its last sale price, and because vim is widely available for free it's an efficient market with a last sale price of zero. I would agree with, "The value / worth you derive from your use of vim is greater than 100 euro, assuming you actively use at least one of your vim installations." But then again you could say something similar about most common free or nearly free tools and consumables, for example cutlery, oxygen, and linux.
spullara 13y ago
Let's say VIM didn't exist right now. Could you imagine selling it for 100 euro?
- tsahyt 13y ago
  Selling.. though point. I was never good at making up prices. Buying it for a 100 euros? Yes, in a heartbeat. It's the single most important tool I use.
  - danielbarla 13y ago
    It would have to have fairly long trial period however...
    - lucb1e 13y ago
      Or it should come with a free three-month personal course
      - troels 13y ago
        I read that as "Or it should come with a free three-month personal curse". Which it already does ..
  - JanezStupar 13y ago
    To expand. I wouldn't pay even 10 euro for an editor that does not support VIM.
- kayoone 13y ago
  id suspect VIM would have a very hard time if it was coming out now and nobody knew about it, even for free. That doesnt mean its not awesome, but VIM is all about its legacy, huge ecosystem and hype.
  - davvid 13y ago
    VIM is all about its legacy, huge ecosystem and hype I don't agree with the "hype" part. Where's the hype? I use vim because it gets the job done.
rbonvall 13y ago
It's a nice surprise to see tpope as one of the top donators. What he has contributed to the vim community through his plugins was already worth much more than that IMHO.
- pselbert 13y ago
  Agreed, I was surprised as well. I would imagine that the number of people he has helped entice to the vim world exceed his contributions by quite a bit.
  - grapjas 13y ago
    Not to mention the names of his scripts are the best
alpb 13y ago
Note, right now all donations go to a clinic in Uganda since author of Vim has a full-time job and is paid.
SwellJoe 13y ago
I'm just gonna take this as a reminder that I'm probably due to drop a few more dollars in the bucket. I've contributed $250 over the 15 years I've been using vim, which puts me comfortably in the hall of honour...but that's still not a lot of money for what is, arguably, the most important piece of software I use. $16.67 per year...that's a bargain. When I worked in C, I used vim. When I wrote shell scripts, I used vim. When I worked in Python, I used vim. When I came back to using Perl after many years away from it, I used vim. When I kept notes at conferences, I used vim. When I wrote my first book, I used vim. When I built my first (second, third, and dozenth) website, I used vim. I can think of very few pieces of software that have stuck with me consistently through all those years. Linux, Apache, BIND, bash, the gnu core tools (grep, sed, etc.)...that's pretty much it. Nearly everything else has changed, sometimes several times.
swah 13y ago
Do you guys Vim is as good in non-Unix environments?
- prawks 13y ago
  I use gVim on Windows and MacVim on OSX and while I'm no uber power user, I think they do the job very nicely. I've never really missed much on either platform in terms of capability. The only thing I'd say is that viEmu for Visual Studio is lacking in several areas, but the access to VS's Intellisense makes up for it. And that's of course not an issue with vim as much as viEmu.
  - reverius42 13y ago
    Check out VsVim for Visual Studio. It's quite good. http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-46ca-8fe1-0e90e3f79329/ http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...
- shadowfox 13y ago
  Quite. I have used gvim on Windows from around '99. It works decently and you can even share most of your plugins and configuration across platforms.
- vectorpush 13y ago
  Seamless integration into a Unix terminal environment is one of vim's biggest advantages. As an example, the ubiquitous plugin syntastic provides syntax checking for several dozen languages by simply passing your source through the respective command line interpreter and piping the error response back into vim.
  - swah 13y ago
    That's exactly what I mean - maybe you lose too much in Windows systems. (Emacs isolates you more from the OS, of course.)
- herge 13y ago
  Gvim on windows is an easy way to get a tool that will do search, regex replacement, quick text editing macros, etc. All you need is to run executable (gvim.exe), there is no need to install, so from a copy of gvim.exe on a usb drive, dropbox, or whatever, (and by memorizing your favorite vim settings!) you can do some pretty advanced text editing that surpasses whatever is available in a stock windows install.

122 points by stratosvoukel 13y ago

And.... down. Google Web Cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8LEimVZjxrgJ:www.vim.org/sponsor/hall_of_honour.php+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8LEimV...

kk3 13y ago

www.freeonlineapps.com www.freeonlineapps.com is a very generous person.

saraid216 13y ago
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.vim.org%2Faccount%2Fprofile.php%3Fuser_id%3D8235 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.v... If you were curious.
hyperbovine 13y ago
I genuinely thought this was bot spam.

Dylan16807 13y ago

Can someone explain the title? Quoting in case the overaggressive title changer happens to stop by: Vim is certainly worth more than 100 euro (vim.org)

rlt3 13y ago
I think the OP is trying to suggest that the lower limit of 100 euro to get into the Hall of Honour is much too low.

ConceitedCode 13y ago

Yes, it is worth more than a 100 euro, but you really couldn't use a better title?

throwaway1980 13y ago

> Vim is certainly worth more than 100 euro (original title) The monetary value of a copy of free / open source software is effectively zero, provided that at least some people are distributing it without restrictions and free of charge such that it is readily available.

jmhain 13y ago
Nobody tell Red Hat.
frabcus 13y ago
The original wording was carefully chosen - things can cost less than they are worth.
- throwaway1980 13y ago
  Not if we are talking about monetary worth, which is what 100 euro denotes. Unless I am severely mistaken in my understanding of economics.
  - cabacon 13y ago
    Look into producer and consumer surplus. In any exchange, you'll tend to find that the value of the items exchanged are worth more to the receiving party than the giving party. It's practically essential to agreeing to a trade. The consumer surplus is the excess value the buyer receives. Think "I would have paid €5 for that drink right now, but they only charged me €2!" The producer surplus is how much more someone paid than the producer was willing to sell it for. The same thing can be worth different amounts to different people. Airlines in particular are good at price discrimination: trying to extract as high a price as possible, capturing the possible consumer surplus. Universities too. Lots of things get no-haggle prices that ignore this difference between price and value.
    - throwaway1980 13y ago
      So you're saying that this person was implying that even though the price is 0 euro, the consumer surplus is greater than 100 euro? I can understand this reasoning, so thanks for explaining it. I'm not sure I believe that consumer surplus can be measured outside of controlled psychology experiments, since it's only speculation and talk is cheap. I guess I always thought that the value (or worth - these are the same, right?) of something in an efficient market is its last sale price, and because vim is widely available for free it's an efficient market with a last sale price of zero. I would agree with, "The value / worth you derive from your use of vim is greater than 100 euro, assuming you actively use at least one of your vim installations." But then again you could say something similar about most common free or nearly free tools and consumables, for example cutlery, oxygen, and linux.

spullara 13y ago

Let's say VIM didn't exist right now. Could you imagine selling it for 100 euro?

tsahyt 13y ago
Selling.. though point. I was never good at making up prices. Buying it for a 100 euros? Yes, in a heartbeat. It's the single most important tool I use.
- danielbarla 13y ago
  It would have to have fairly long trial period however...
  - lucb1e 13y ago
    Or it should come with a free three-month personal course
    - troels 13y ago
      I read that as "Or it should come with a free three-month personal curse". Which it already does ..
- JanezStupar 13y ago
  To expand. I wouldn't pay even 10 euro for an editor that does not support VIM.
kayoone 13y ago
id suspect VIM would have a very hard time if it was coming out now and nobody knew about it, even for free. That doesnt mean its not awesome, but VIM is all about its legacy, huge ecosystem and hype.
- davvid 13y ago
  VIM is all about its legacy, huge ecosystem and hype I don't agree with the "hype" part. Where's the hype? I use vim because it gets the job done.

rbonvall 13y ago

It's a nice surprise to see tpope as one of the top donators. What he has contributed to the vim community through his plugins was already worth much more than that IMHO.

pselbert 13y ago
Agreed, I was surprised as well. I would imagine that the number of people he has helped entice to the vim world exceed his contributions by quite a bit.
- grapjas 13y ago
  Not to mention the names of his scripts are the best

alpb 13y ago

Note, right now all donations go to a clinic in Uganda since author of Vim has a full-time job and is paid.

SwellJoe 13y ago

I'm just gonna take this as a reminder that I'm probably due to drop a few more dollars in the bucket. I've contributed $250 over the 15 years I've been using vim, which puts me comfortably in the hall of honour...but that's still not a lot of money for what is, arguably, the most important piece of software I use. $16.67 per year...that's a bargain. When I worked in C, I used vim. When I wrote shell scripts, I used vim. When I worked in Python, I used vim. When I came back to using Perl after many years away from it, I used vim. When I kept notes at conferences, I used vim. When I wrote my first book, I used vim. When I built my first (second, third, and dozenth) website, I used vim. I can think of very few pieces of software that have stuck with me consistently through all those years. Linux, Apache, BIND, bash, the gnu core tools (grep, sed, etc.)...that's pretty much it. Nearly everything else has changed, sometimes several times.

swah 13y ago

Do you guys Vim is as good in non-Unix environments?

prawks 13y ago
I use gVim on Windows and MacVim on OSX and while I'm no uber power user, I think they do the job very nicely. I've never really missed much on either platform in terms of capability. The only thing I'd say is that viEmu for Visual Studio is lacking in several areas, but the access to VS's Intellisense makes up for it. And that's of course not an issue with vim as much as viEmu.
- reverius42 13y ago
  Check out VsVim for Visual Studio. It's quite good. http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-46ca-8fe1-0e90e3f79329/ http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...
shadowfox 13y ago
Quite. I have used gvim on Windows from around '99. It works decently and you can even share most of your plugins and configuration across platforms.
vectorpush 13y ago
Seamless integration into a Unix terminal environment is one of vim's biggest advantages. As an example, the ubiquitous plugin syntastic provides syntax checking for several dozen languages by simply passing your source through the respective command line interpreter and piping the error response back into vim.
- swah 13y ago
  That's exactly what I mean - maybe you lose too much in Windows systems. (Emacs isolates you more from the OS, of course.)
herge 13y ago
Gvim on windows is an easy way to get a tool that will do search, regex replacement, quick text editing macros, etc. All you need is to run executable (gvim.exe), there is no need to install, so from a copy of gvim.exe on a usb drive, dropbox, or whatever, (and by memorizing your favorite vim settings!) you can do some pretty advanced text editing that surpasses whatever is available in a stock windows install.