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Yeah, it's interesting that this whole LulzSec thing turned out to be a "false flag psyop" by the FBI. This would mean that while "Sabu" was an informant, many
by clobber 13y ago
Yeah, it's interesting that this whole LulzSec thing turned out to be a "false flag psyop" by the FBI. This would mean that while "Sabu" was an informant, many of the hacks performed were sanctioned by the FBI.
- ExpiredLink 13y agoA conspiracy? Tell us more!
- Dylan16807 13y agoAre you mocking the idea of one single person being undercover by calling it a 'conspiracy'?
- tinco 13y agoNo he's mocking the idea that the FBI sanctioned the attacks. As far as I can tell, all major hacks by lulzsec predate the conversion of Sabu, but even if the FBI had control of Sabu before some of the attacks, that does not mean the FBI sanctioned them. At best the FBI decided it was more important to catch these people than it was to prevent the leaking of some cc's.
- Dylan16807 13y agoIt depends on your definition of 'sanctioned'.
- clobber 13y ago> As far as I can tell, all major hacks by lulzsec predate the conversion of Sabu According to wiki, "He later turned informant for the FBI, working with the agency for over ten months to aid them in identifying other hackers from Lulzsec and related groups" The CIA's website went down June 15th, 2011 (towards the end of the LulzSec campaign) - definitely while Sabu was working for the FBI. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Xavier_Monsegur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Xavier_Monsegur 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2659326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2659326
- brokenparser 13y agoAre you trying to downplay rumours of a conspiracy by mocking the idea that it might exist?
- Dylan16807 13y agoNo, but that's a tempting idea...
- aclevernickname 13y agoso, yes?
- Dylan16807 13y ago:3c
- clobber 13y agoNot sure where you're going with this. Care to explain?
- sliverstorm 13y agoSpeculative translation of your parent: "I've had it just about up to here with inane conspiracy theories about every corner of government including the DMV and the Census Bureau, but please do give me one more!"
- clobber 13y agoYes, because domestic spying agencies (or their controlling entities) couldn't possibly have anything to gain by increased control over the web- let's say through legislation, followed by the outcome of events like LulzSec. Edit: link to old discussion here since this his hard for some people to grasp and make the connections: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2659326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2659326
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- wmf 13y agoWhitey Bulger 2.0?
- aclevernickname 13y agoAnonymous is an enemy of the state. Also, some of the US Government's own citizens are joining this enemy of the state, making them enemy combatants. It is lawful (meaning: within the bounds of international convention) for a government to infiltrate an enemy, and even lead its enemies' campaigns, if it means that the government utimately prevails by doing so. If you're going to be an enemy of the state, expect the state to react accordingly. They hold no quarter for terrorists since the Dubya Administration. Sabu was a friend of the United States Government. Benedict Arnold was a friend of the British Crown. both are cheered by their supporters, and derided by their enemies.
- Dylan16807 13y agoEnemy of a couple corporations, sure. Enemy of the state, how?
- popeye 13y ago... The state is run by corporations. Haven't you heard?
- Dylan16807 13y agoI think you'd still have to be an employee of one of the relevant corporations for a term meaning 'treason' to apply.
- aclevernickname 13y agohttp://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002 28 USC § 3002 (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; Yes, they're enemies of many corporations.