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>I'm starting to think that Microsoft are a more "open" company... I am disappointed too. But why is Microsoft more open? Does Microsoft have an open messaging

by esolyt 13y ago

>I'm starting to think that Microsoft are a more "open" company... I am disappointed too. But why is Microsoft more open? Does Microsoft have an open messaging protocol that I don't know of? Or an open source operating system? Or an open source browser? The last I checked, they were forcing manufacturers to ship computers with locked down bootloaders so you can't install your own operating system. >But they're privacy policies for GDrive scare me, so I don't use that. Can you clarify exactly what point in the privacy policy you are talking about?

sgoody 13y ago
I thought I'd read somewhere previously that Google claimed rights to be able to do whatever they wanted with your data... I'm looking at that now and it's not clear to me but I may have been wrong about that.
- esolyt 13y ago
  That is pretty much what every cloud storage services writes on their privacy policy. As far as I know, there is nothing special about Google's.
lstamour 13y ago
Locked down boot loaders? The spec says you must be able to change it. And you can. Same with Chromebooks (dev switches) and Macs (rEFIt or boot camp). This is about security of the boot process for those who desire it. TPM is a feature just like Chrome's default support for DRM now. Necessary evils or useful security, all depends on who is in control. What makes service lockdown worse is you're not in control if you let someone else run it. Google should have at least given a replacement protocol. Make XMPP better: push the web forward!
- esolyt 13y ago
  You can turn off safe boot only on x86 devices, but not on ARM devices.
- kevinoid 13y ago
  > The spec says you must be able to change it. This is true for x86, ARM has the opposite requirement. Presumably esolyt was referring to the Windows 8 Hardware Certification Requirements: Client and Server Systems[1] which state "On an ARM system, it is forbidden to enable Custom Mode." and "Disabling Secure Boot must not be possible on ARM systems." (page 122) which prevents booting to an OS not signed by Microsoft. 1. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh748188.aspx#_Current_version http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh7...
- sp332 13y ago
  Actually in order to get a "Made for Windows RT" sticker on an ARM device, OEMs must enable "Secure Boot" and disallow changes. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-other-operating-systems-from-windows-8-arm-pcs-and-devices/10132 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-...
Maarten88 13y ago
> Does Microsoft have an open messaging protocol that I don't know of? Even better, they support an standard called SIP. [1] > Or an open source operating system? Or an open source browser? They believe in open standards more than open source, although the Azure group very actively supports open source lately [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol
- kalleboo 13y ago
  > Even better, they support an standard called SIP. [1] Not in Skype they don't
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    To be fair they bought skype and haven't really changed it. Which is actually an improvement over the previous company that kept removing things.

by esolyt 13y ago

sgoody 13y ago

I thought I'd read somewhere previously that Google claimed rights to be able to do whatever they wanted with your data... I'm looking at that now and it's not clear to me but I may have been wrong about that.

esolyt 13y ago
That is pretty much what every cloud storage services writes on their privacy policy. As far as I know, there is nothing special about Google's.

lstamour 13y ago

Locked down boot loaders? The spec says you must be able to change it. And you can. Same with Chromebooks (dev switches) and Macs (rEFIt or boot camp). This is about security of the boot process for those who desire it. TPM is a feature just like Chrome's default support for DRM now. Necessary evils or useful security, all depends on who is in control. What makes service lockdown worse is you're not in control if you let someone else run it. Google should have at least given a replacement protocol. Make XMPP better: push the web forward!

esolyt 13y ago
You can turn off safe boot only on x86 devices, but not on ARM devices.
kevinoid 13y ago
> The spec says you must be able to change it. This is true for x86, ARM has the opposite requirement. Presumably esolyt was referring to the Windows 8 Hardware Certification Requirements: Client and Server Systems[1] which state "On an ARM system, it is forbidden to enable Custom Mode." and "Disabling Secure Boot must not be possible on ARM systems." (page 122) which prevents booting to an OS not signed by Microsoft. 1. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh748188.aspx#_Current_version http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh7...
sp332 13y ago
Actually in order to get a "Made for Windows RT" sticker on an ARM device, OEMs must enable "Secure Boot" and disallow changes. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-other-operating-systems-from-windows-8-arm-pcs-and-devices/10132 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-...

Maarten88 13y ago

> Does Microsoft have an open messaging protocol that I don't know of? Even better, they support an standard called SIP. [1] > Or an open source operating system? Or an open source browser? They believe in open standards more than open source, although the Azure group very actively supports open source lately [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

kalleboo 13y ago
> Even better, they support an standard called SIP. [1] Not in Skype they don't
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  To be fair they bought skype and haven't really changed it. Which is actually an improvement over the previous company that kept removing things.