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Her first statement while being interviewed was that she was performing a science experiment. That story changed under interview, and she later admitted someone

Her first statement while being interviewed was that she was performing a science experiment. That story changed under interview, and she later admitted someone told her how and encouraged her to do it.

u2328 13y ago
How is the former different from the latter? Is that not still science? Are you not doing science if a teacher directs you to perform experiments for a grade?
- readme 13y ago
  You mean, aside from the one being empirical, and the other just being a pyrotechnics demo? It makes no difference with respect to her punishment. It was unfair no matter what. I'm just pointing out the technicality.
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  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    The point of mixing the chemicals and doing the procedure yourself is to understand it properly. Just being told about it in vague terms is far inferior in terms of learning. It becomes a mere 'demo' once you're well-practiced in the specific procedure. And she wasn't.
  - readme 13y ago
    @dylan -- no kidding, that's why my comment says "With respect to her punishment"
nitrogen 13y ago
I'm curious, what is your underlying motivation for taking a contrarian position in this discussion? Edit: I ask because I'd like to think that a thread on HN can come to some kind of understanding instead of an escalating spiral of heated arguments.
- tiredofcareer 13y ago
  Look around at the replies to me and the downvote beating I'm taking for sharing my opinion. Turn on showdead for an even more depressing trip through my replies. Then ask yourself if this can ever come to an understanding without me seeing the "error of my ways" and adopting the "acceptable" position of this community. Then, go even further, and ask yourself if it matters one iota of a shit more than the several minutes I've already spent subjecting myself to this beating, including someone telling me I should play with anthrax and die for fuck's sake. Then turning it around on me and calling it my fault after I called him out on it (and got downvoted yet fucking again for doing so!). The answer is, very clearly, absolutely not on all accounts. Hacker News does not tolerate dissenting opinion and that should scare you. The continued existence of this community and any contribution is plainly pointless, and while I'd invest a little time demonstrating that to you, I know that nobody will listen, I'll turn light gray, and this community will go back to having a grand old time patting themselves on the back throwing money at a Florida teenager they have never, and will never, meet nor hear about ever again. One of the (many) problems in our discourse today is that there is no middle. No compromise. Ever. Look at American politics for an example. Even in this discussion here, there was no possible suggestion that I might be a little right, no possible seeking of an understanding, no middle ground. You either think this girl deserves our showering of praise and affection or you suffer the consequences and get grayed to nonexistence. No, nitrogen. I'm done. You guys can have your polarized, pointless discussion, and I will go back to keeping my opinions to myself. Just like I'm pretty much done with this industry, as well, because it seems like the number of intolerable people that I have to spend nine to five arguing with, over pointless shit like this, continues to multiply until I don't want to listen any more. I started this account when a good guy, Jesse Noller, had has life threatened by the very people in this industry for daring to intervene in the PyCon situation. I hoped that maybe, just maybe, I could effect some change and get people to see that there is a middle, there is a compromise, there is an opportunity for discussion. When I follow the community, I am rewarded with heaps of karma -- including one comment with dozens of upvotes for saying what HN wants to hear. When I dare speak against the community, as I have here, I am reminded why I keep my distance and why those of us who think rationally consider this community a heaping pile of arrogant shit. You should hear what people outside HN say about it, based on discussions like this. Congratulations, HN. You're now Slashdot. You're now the community that in a single thread compared a teenager that built a bomb in a two-liter bottle to Alfred Nobel and Marie Curie. In the hours since you left this question for me, I went to see a film and forgot about Hacker News for four hours, and it was four glorious, wonderful hours I intend to repeat. Continuously, for the rest of my days.
DanBC 13y ago
> That story changed under interview, You've said that before. Do you have a cite for it please?
Anechoic 13y ago
That story changed under interview You've mentioned that a couple of times here. Can you point us to a link?

u2328 13y ago

How is the former different from the latter? Is that not still science? Are you not doing science if a teacher directs you to perform experiments for a grade?

readme 13y ago
You mean, aside from the one being empirical, and the other just being a pyrotechnics demo? It makes no difference with respect to her punishment. It was unfair no matter what. I'm just pointing out the technicality.
- deleted 13y ago
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- Dylan16807 13y ago
  The point of mixing the chemicals and doing the procedure yourself is to understand it properly. Just being told about it in vague terms is far inferior in terms of learning. It becomes a mere 'demo' once you're well-practiced in the specific procedure. And she wasn't.
- readme 13y ago
  @dylan -- no kidding, that's why my comment says "With respect to her punishment"

nitrogen 13y ago

I'm curious, what is your underlying motivation for taking a contrarian position in this discussion? Edit: I ask because I'd like to think that a thread on HN can come to some kind of understanding instead of an escalating spiral of heated arguments.

tiredofcareer 13y ago
Look around at the replies to me and the downvote beating I'm taking for sharing my opinion. Turn on showdead for an even more depressing trip through my replies. Then ask yourself if this can ever come to an understanding without me seeing the "error of my ways" and adopting the "acceptable" position of this community. Then, go even further, and ask yourself if it matters one iota of a shit more than the several minutes I've already spent subjecting myself to this beating, including someone telling me I should play with anthrax and die for fuck's sake. Then turning it around on me and calling it my fault after I called him out on it (and got downvoted yet fucking again for doing so!). The answer is, very clearly, absolutely not on all accounts. Hacker News does not tolerate dissenting opinion and that should scare you. The continued existence of this community and any contribution is plainly pointless, and while I'd invest a little time demonstrating that to you, I know that nobody will listen, I'll turn light gray, and this community will go back to having a grand old time patting themselves on the back throwing money at a Florida teenager they have never, and will never, meet nor hear about ever again. One of the (many) problems in our discourse today is that there is no middle. No compromise. Ever. Look at American politics for an example. Even in this discussion here, there was no possible suggestion that I might be a little right, no possible seeking of an understanding, no middle ground. You either think this girl deserves our showering of praise and affection or you suffer the consequences and get grayed to nonexistence. No, nitrogen. I'm done. You guys can have your polarized, pointless discussion, and I will go back to keeping my opinions to myself. Just like I'm pretty much done with this industry, as well, because it seems like the number of intolerable people that I have to spend nine to five arguing with, over pointless shit like this, continues to multiply until I don't want to listen any more. I started this account when a good guy, Jesse Noller, had has life threatened by the very people in this industry for daring to intervene in the PyCon situation. I hoped that maybe, just maybe, I could effect some change and get people to see that there is a middle, there is a compromise, there is an opportunity for discussion. When I follow the community, I am rewarded with heaps of karma -- including one comment with dozens of upvotes for saying what HN wants to hear. When I dare speak against the community, as I have here, I am reminded why I keep my distance and why those of us who think rationally consider this community a heaping pile of arrogant shit. You should hear what people outside HN say about it, based on discussions like this. Congratulations, HN. You're now Slashdot. You're now the community that in a single thread compared a teenager that built a bomb in a two-liter bottle to Alfred Nobel and Marie Curie. In the hours since you left this question for me, I went to see a film and forgot about Hacker News for four hours, and it was four glorious, wonderful hours I intend to repeat. Continuously, for the rest of my days.

DanBC 13y ago

> That story changed under interview, You've said that before. Do you have a cite for it please?

Anechoic 13y ago

That story changed under interview You've mentioned that a couple of times here. Can you point us to a link?