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I run two user accounts in Chrome during the day: One connected to my personal use the other to Google Apps for Business. I use Chat for Google for both (Adiu

I run two user accounts in Chrome during the day: One connected to my personal use the other to Google Apps for Business. I use Chat for Google for both (Adium sucks) About an hour ago, the personal account had a changed icon, started looking nicer, and is now called Hangouts. The Apps for business one stayed the same. I've never been closer to being a fanboi than I was with Google, but this seals it...I'm pissed. Closing off (yet another) service in favor of proprietary protocols is not something a "Don't Be Evil" company does...in fact it's why you have the motto in the first fucking place. You could have made the change without breaking XMPP. This is just shitty all the way around.

hamax 13y ago
You're wrong on almost every point. "Don't Be Evil" is not Google's motto, XMPP chat still works fine for my hangouts account and no, they couldn't do it without breaking the XMPP. I just hope they'll keep XMPP running for the chat. I'll stop using it the second it'll stop working in bitlbee.
- makomk 13y ago
  Are messages from your XMPP client going to users of the Hangouts app and vice-versa, though? The e-mail implies that users of Hangouts can still continue to use XMPP clients, but that they're connecting to a totally seperate XMPP-compatible chat system by doing so.
- jamesgeck0 13y ago
  > no, they couldn't do it without breaking the XMPP. Why not? XMPP is pretty extensible, and Google's Jingle spec was open. Is there a technical reason that Hangouts had to be based on something other than Jabber?
- uniclaude 13y ago
  > "Don't Be Evil" is not Google's motto Ahem. This[1] is close enough to a motto to make this part of your comment irrelevant. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
- manicbovine 13y ago
  Whether or not "Don't be evil" is their motto, it's clear that they've failed to manage expectations.

hamax 13y ago

You're wrong on almost every point. "Don't Be Evil" is not Google's motto, XMPP chat still works fine for my hangouts account and no, they couldn't do it without breaking the XMPP. I just hope they'll keep XMPP running for the chat. I'll stop using it the second it'll stop working in bitlbee.

makomk 13y ago
Are messages from your XMPP client going to users of the Hangouts app and vice-versa, though? The e-mail implies that users of Hangouts can still continue to use XMPP clients, but that they're connecting to a totally seperate XMPP-compatible chat system by doing so.
jamesgeck0 13y ago
> no, they couldn't do it without breaking the XMPP. Why not? XMPP is pretty extensible, and Google's Jingle spec was open. Is there a technical reason that Hangouts had to be based on something other than Jabber?
uniclaude 13y ago
> "Don't Be Evil" is not Google's motto Ahem. This[1] is close enough to a motto to make this part of your comment irrelevant. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
manicbovine 13y ago
Whether or not "Don't be evil" is their motto, it's clear that they've failed to manage expectations.