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Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court
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- aw3c2 13y agoGoogle Cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://pulseradio.net/articles/2013/01/techno-viking-sues http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
- aw3c2 13y agoWeird piece. It says things like "[punishment] would send a confusing message to Youtube uploaders everywhere, so it will be interesting to see how the German courts approach this matter." In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany. Its application does not mean much for "Youtubers everywhere". I strongly support this as a matter of privacy. Gawking is creepy. And before someone says some "but he was in a public space, he was at a public event" yadda yadda: See KunstUrhG §23 (2) "Die Befugnis erstreckt sich jedoch nicht auf eine Verbreitung und Schaustellung, durch die ein berechtigtes Interesse des Abgebildeten (...) verletzt wird."
- LatvjuAvs 13y agoAnd thus we are afraid of being filmed and put in public for everyone to see. And god forbids, someone will profit for it. World will end. Need to make more laws, more punishment, need to make everything more "serious".
- terolacu 13y ago> In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany I don't think that law is unusual, in Argentina we have it too, and sounds like something very basic anyone would want (though creeps don't seem to understand it, and act surprised when they realize such law exist, and start complaining on their lack of freedom and whatnot, lol). I thought it kind of came packaged with the IP laws that the US pushed everywhere.
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- anExcitedBeast 13y agoHow about filming police, or people activity participating in crime? And if you allow exceptions for that, who's to decide what constitutes crime and what happens to people who film perfectly legal acts that look suspicious?
- Xylakant 13y agoFilming or taking pictures in itself is not a problem and perfectly legal. Go film all you want. You're just not allowed to publish those pictures. So if you see a suspicious act, take your pic, hand it to the police and let them deal with it. You can film the police and film public figures all you want, as long as they're acting in their public capacity. You're allowed to film Angela Merkel doing her state visit, going to the beach with Barack Obama and later publish that clip. You're not allowed to film her naked in her private backyard. The border between the two is sometimes hard to determine, so there are some lawsuits about that, but all in all it's pretty clear.
- terolacu 13y agoI answered here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5687247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5687247
- shin_lao 13y agoThe same law exists in France, it's called "Droit à l'image", which is the exact same meaning than "Recht am eigenen Bild".
- chez17 13y agoI'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations of privacy when you march in a public parade down a public street.
- masklinn 13y ago> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I'm sorry but different countries have different sets of laws, and it turns out there are whole legal systems which disagree with your overly broad assertions. Actually I'm not sorry at all, you are in serious need of a clue.
- markbao 13y agoWhat? Parent comment is talking about what he believes as the societal expectation of privacy in his view. He doesn't say "Wow, it's ridiculous that Germany has different laws. How dare they!" Instead of talking about whether or not his view of privacy is correct, this comment thread has devolved into a "look at this clueless foreigner" match.
- lurkinggrue 13y agoGermany has different laws? The nerve!
- twistedpair 13y agoHaving lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and the rest of us American sheeple fall in line, those in Germany have seen the worst of authoritarianism under the Nazis and the Soviets and have chosen how they want to live. Not a bad idea.
- ryusage 13y agoVery strange to me as an American. So would you actually get in legal trouble if you took a picture at a public event?
- praptak 13y agoNope, as long as you don't publish it.
- jonknee 13y agoHow does the media work if you can't take photos/video of the public?
- johnchristopher 13y agoBasically: the media can take photos/video. But they have to remove it from their publications if someone invokes 'droit à l´image'.
- terolacu 13y agoIn Argentina you can take photos on public places and publish them, given that you are not obviously targeting one specific individual without his (explicit or implicit) consent. For instance, in tennis matches, the cameramen and tv program can get into trouble if they do things like zooming and making focus on a beautiful girl from the crowd. There are also other specifics, like that the person can't already be famous or a public figure, since those people have voluntarily exposed themselves. Eg: TV actors don't have this right to privacy when they are on public. If you see a famous person in the street, you can take a picture of him/her and publish it.
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- jpdoctor 13y ago> Weird piece. And the techno festival known as Fuckparade wound its way down Rosenthaler Straße didn't even warrant a mention in your list of weirdness.
- dreen 13y agoHe should challenge the uploader to a dance-off instead. Nobody survives being over-danced by Techno Viking.
- Nux 13y agoTechno Viking is actually awesome! He should embrace his popularity. :D
- hnal943 13y agoI disagree. When you sue, you lose your awesomeness.
- sschueller 13y agoIf he sued for the profits the guy made then I would still see him as awesome. Take down however is not awesome.
- cies 13y agoTechno Viking on HN... It made my day. His guy is a legend. They say he's "The only man who could kill Chuck Norris", to me that is an understatement. I'd say "The reason Chuck Norris does not dare to visit Berlin" is more accurate.
- illuminate 13y agoChuck Norris does not leave the States because he's a hatemongering bigot who would get "the vapors" at gays being treated like human beings. I really wish his meme would die already.
- Splendor 13y agoAgreed. I just replace "Chuck Norris" with "Mr. T" anytime I read one of those memes. Makes more sense that way.
- lurkinggrue 13y agoThere are so many fools left to pity.
- wikiburner 13y agoBest version, in case you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dIUM4LRVsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dIUM4LRVsE
- joetech 13y agohttp://www.neatorama.com/2013/02/21/Technoviking-Sues-Filmmaker/ http://www.neatorama.com/2013/02/21/Technoviking-Sues-Filmma...
- NegativeK 13y agoCan anyone comment on how a model release would apply to a situation like this if it were to occur in America?
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