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I'm a long time Windows user. I gave Win8 a try and had to google "How to shut down Windows 8" and "How to close apps in Windows 8". It's ridiculous. Just go to

by susi22 13y ago

I'm a long time Windows user. I gave Win8 a try and had to google "How to shut down Windows 8" and "How to close apps in Windows 8". It's ridiculous. Just go to google and type in "how to shut " and it'll suggest you the rest. Same goes for "how to close apps ".

corporalagumbo 13y ago
Great. So what? Just because the current product isn't good right now doesn't mean that the direction it is heading in is bad. You might not like Windows 8 that much, and you probably shouldn't. I'd never argue that people should like it. Why should they? It's a janky feature-sparse mashup OS. I use it on desktop myself and while I appreciate the performance bump and some of the new features, I don't have any use for Metro and it took quite a few tweaks for me to be happy with the desktop experience. You're absolutely right, currently it just doesn't offer the 10X product improvement necessary to induce eager consumer behaviour change. Look, Microsoft is making an omelette. But right now all they have to sell is broken eggs. The only source of confusion here is that Microsoft's marketing department trying to convince everyone that they've got an omelette to sell. Look at it like that and there really isn't much to argue about anymore.
- pgrote 13y ago
  I'm responsible for supporting and developing for groups of people who currently have uncooked omelettes dripping down their chests. Microsoft may have underestimated the learning curve on the new OS for one simple reason: The benefits of learning a new method of interacting with a PC on a daily basis aren't compelling enough.
  - corporalagumbo 13y ago
    Hahaha sorry to hear that man. I feel for you.
- dm2 13y ago
  You don't do that when you are the market leader with another company worth $140 billion breathing down your neck. That's how you lose the game and go bankrupt and are sitting out on the street wondering WTF just happened. They have a proven product, Windows, which was great because of its ease of use. People literally grew up with Windows and many people rely on its consistent user interface. Then they made it unnecessarily difficult to access the file manager, applications, and the control panel just so that they could push their new and unproven "Metro" design. That's just DUMB.
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zarify 13y ago
You're quite right. That is ridiculous. It's ridiculous because when you install it and start it up it tells you about the hot corners and then lo and behold: there's the power button. It actually physically pains me to be a Windows apologist, but it was right there. The 'how to close apps' one I'll give you though, because the way they handle Windows 8 apps seems to be batshit crazy when viewed along side regular Windows apps on the same machine. If they'd just decided to go down that similar to iOS route with all their apps it'd make more sense, but having both systems there is just weird. Personally I don't see the need to change it. Stick to their guns and people will complain about it and use it anyway. Then when the next non-trivial (or not) change comes along they'll bitch about that too and everyone will say Microsoft is doomed all over again.
- toyg 13y ago
  Welcome to the real world: users (even power users) don't read on-screen instructions. You can throw at them hundreds of pop-ups and tutorials and wizards, and they still will just go next-next-next. This is why UI designs must be intuitive. Metro is extremely intuitive in many ways, but it royally screwed up some basics (no shutdown button, no alternative to hot corner... no no no).
- susi22 13y ago
  I didn't get any tutorial of the new features with the hot corners etc.. Never got any introduction. I googled it and closing apps is described here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/how-close-app http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/how-close-app Funny part is that it just doesn't work with a mouse. It does work well on my Win8 tablet. Also, I didn't wanna use the power button since I wanted to actually restart it. (Actually I was in a VM).
akennberg 13y ago
Why don't you just press the power button on your PC? That sends a signal to Windows to do a soft-shutdown.
- gbaygon 13y ago
  And it will close all your apps too!
- susi22 13y ago
  I actually was in a full screen VM. Also, I actually wanted to do a restart and not a shut down.
numo16 13y ago
I've heard this a few times from people and the really baffling part of it for me is how many people still shut down their computers these days. Maybe I'm a special case, but for laptops I close the lid and it sleeps until I need it again and for desktops, I get up and walk away and it goes to sleep until I need it again. The only time it shuts down or restarts is when an update requires it.
- seanmcdirmid 13y ago
  Tell me about it! The only time I even restart my machine is that Tuesday every month when the updates are forced, and then its forced when I come to the office on Wednesday since I postponed from the day before.
- susi22 13y ago
  I've used Win7 for years and I always use "WinKey+RightArrow+RightArrow" and then I either press 'r', 's' or sleep or restart or whatever I want (it's super quick onece you're used to it). I don't want my lid to do anything. I have SSH session open and don't want them to kill (and don't start about screen...). Also, my power button would've just shut down linux since the Win8 was in a VM.
- stinos 13y ago
  baffling, really? Here's the other side: electricity isn't free.. Ok it's not that expensive, but I know enough people that shhut it down just for that extra bit of peace of mind knowing they are not wasting energy. Or as some might even say, in the extreme, ruining the planet even more :P

by susi22 13y ago

corporalagumbo 13y ago

Great. So what? Just because the current product isn't good right now doesn't mean that the direction it is heading in is bad. You might not like Windows 8 that much, and you probably shouldn't. I'd never argue that people should like it. Why should they? It's a janky feature-sparse mashup OS. I use it on desktop myself and while I appreciate the performance bump and some of the new features, I don't have any use for Metro and it took quite a few tweaks for me to be happy with the desktop experience. You're absolutely right, currently it just doesn't offer the 10X product improvement necessary to induce eager consumer behaviour change. Look, Microsoft is making an omelette. But right now all they have to sell is broken eggs. The only source of confusion here is that Microsoft's marketing department trying to convince everyone that they've got an omelette to sell. Look at it like that and there really isn't much to argue about anymore.

pgrote 13y ago
I'm responsible for supporting and developing for groups of people who currently have uncooked omelettes dripping down their chests. Microsoft may have underestimated the learning curve on the new OS for one simple reason: The benefits of learning a new method of interacting with a PC on a daily basis aren't compelling enough.
- corporalagumbo 13y ago
  Hahaha sorry to hear that man. I feel for you.
dm2 13y ago
You don't do that when you are the market leader with another company worth $140 billion breathing down your neck. That's how you lose the game and go bankrupt and are sitting out on the street wondering WTF just happened. They have a proven product, Windows, which was great because of its ease of use. People literally grew up with Windows and many people rely on its consistent user interface. Then they made it unnecessarily difficult to access the file manager, applications, and the control panel just so that they could push their new and unproven "Metro" design. That's just DUMB.

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zarify 13y ago

You're quite right. That is ridiculous. It's ridiculous because when you install it and start it up it tells you about the hot corners and then lo and behold: there's the power button. It actually physically pains me to be a Windows apologist, but it was right there. The 'how to close apps' one I'll give you though, because the way they handle Windows 8 apps seems to be batshit crazy when viewed along side regular Windows apps on the same machine. If they'd just decided to go down that similar to iOS route with all their apps it'd make more sense, but having both systems there is just weird. Personally I don't see the need to change it. Stick to their guns and people will complain about it and use it anyway. Then when the next non-trivial (or not) change comes along they'll bitch about that too and everyone will say Microsoft is doomed all over again.

toyg 13y ago
Welcome to the real world: users (even power users) don't read on-screen instructions. You can throw at them hundreds of pop-ups and tutorials and wizards, and they still will just go next-next-next. This is why UI designs must be intuitive. Metro is extremely intuitive in many ways, but it royally screwed up some basics (no shutdown button, no alternative to hot corner... no no no).
susi22 13y ago
I didn't get any tutorial of the new features with the hot corners etc.. Never got any introduction. I googled it and closing apps is described here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/how-close-app http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/how-close-app Funny part is that it just doesn't work with a mouse. It does work well on my Win8 tablet. Also, I didn't wanna use the power button since I wanted to actually restart it. (Actually I was in a VM).

akennberg 13y ago

Why don't you just press the power button on your PC? That sends a signal to Windows to do a soft-shutdown.

gbaygon 13y ago
And it will close all your apps too!
susi22 13y ago
I actually was in a full screen VM. Also, I actually wanted to do a restart and not a shut down.

numo16 13y ago

I've heard this a few times from people and the really baffling part of it for me is how many people still shut down their computers these days. Maybe I'm a special case, but for laptops I close the lid and it sleeps until I need it again and for desktops, I get up and walk away and it goes to sleep until I need it again. The only time it shuts down or restarts is when an update requires it.

seanmcdirmid 13y ago
Tell me about it! The only time I even restart my machine is that Tuesday every month when the updates are forced, and then its forced when I come to the office on Wednesday since I postponed from the day before.
susi22 13y ago
I've used Win7 for years and I always use "WinKey+RightArrow+RightArrow" and then I either press 'r', 's' or sleep or restart or whatever I want (it's super quick onece you're used to it). I don't want my lid to do anything. I have SSH session open and don't want them to kill (and don't start about screen...). Also, my power button would've just shut down linux since the Win8 was in a VM.
stinos 13y ago
baffling, really? Here's the other side: electricity isn't free.. Ok it's not that expensive, but I know enough people that shhut it down just for that extra bit of peace of mind knowing they are not wasting energy. Or as some might even say, in the extreme, ruining the planet even more :P