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Random observations: This needs to be cloned by someone who is willing to at least link to the HN comment threads. I know that Giles regards such things as dea
by mechanical_fish 18y ago
Random observations:
This needs to be cloned by someone who is willing to at least link to the HN comment threads. I know that Giles regards such things as deadly dangerous OMG-someone-is-wrong-on-the-Internet time-wasting poison -- and he's got a point -- but some of us have an odd love of the medium and primarily read HN for the comments.
Some headlines just work better in giant Newspaper Type than others. In his example, Giles has picked right up on "Bill Gates Applies for Patent on Electromagnetic Engine", which reads like a steampunk April fool's joke when you print it on a newspaper page. It's great.
This project is doomed [1] because the average article on the web is miserably structured for being teased on a newspaper page. My favorite example is up there right now:
HOWTO: Stop procrastination (Dan Ariely)
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That's so perfect it's like poetry. On the other hand, "Ruby Style Guide" reads like the Associated Press conception of a modern online newspaper:
This repository is private. All pages are served over SSL and all pushing and pulling is done over SSH. No one may fork, clone, or view it unless they are added as a member . Every repository with this icon () is private.
That's art, but it isn't exactly in the spirit of the actual Ruby Style Guide.
But, seriously, there's a reason why newspaper writing has traditionally been in inverted-pyramid form, with the most important sentence at the top and very little preliminary throat-clearing: Newspaper articles have to make sense when you chop off the first one or two lines and blow them up huge, or isolate them on the front page. Web links do not. And they don't.
You can't replicate the awesomeness of a well-designed newspaper with AI-mediated typography alone. The prose and the priority of the stories must also be carefully designed by humans.
The reason why HN is a big flat pile of headlines is that such a display accurately reflects the output of its ranking algorithm: Most likely the top N stories include a certain number of interesting stories, but the algorithm doesn't know which specific ones they are. You don't want to blow up some stories bigger than others unless they really are bigger stories, and who is making that call? Some Python or Ruby script? Please.
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[1] But maybe not for long. Add a human editor tweaking the headlines and the teasers and I believe you might have something.
- jimbokun 18y ago"[1] But maybe not for long. Add a human editor tweaking the headlines and the teasers and I believe you might have something." I believe it is called "The Drudge Report." :)
- mechanical_fish 18y agoTouché. Obligatory 37signals link: "Why the Drudge Report is one of the best designed sites on the Web": http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1407-why-the-drudge-report-is-one-of-the-best-designed-sites-on-the-web http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1407-why-the-drudge-repor... It's painful to contemplate. [1] --- [1] The truth embodied in the 37signals essay, that is. It goes without saying that the Drudge Report is painful to contemplate.
- menloparkbum 18y agoBut maybe not for long. Add a human editor tweaking the headlines and the teasers and I believe you might have something. I believe it is called "The Drudge Report." :) Isn't it called "Techmeme" ?
- mixmax 18y ago"You don't want to blow up some stories bigger than others unless they really are bigger stories, and who is making that call?" - Points are a pretty good indicator of how big a story is. And since stories with the most points aren't necessarily at the top (due to the algorithm) it's a good way of indicating which stories are "big".
- gilesgoatboy 18y agothis isn't AI-mediated, homie. that's my May miniapp, maybe. I've already got proofs of concept that solve the low-hanging fruit in your objections with enormous success for very little effort. however, there is no way in hell I will ever add links to HN discussions. I'm only here because somebody commented on my blog with the link. I HATE THE COMMENTS ON HN. I have stuff to do with my day. I deleted the blog comment and I think the absence of the discussion links is a MAJOR feature. for every mechanical fish there's a billion whiny little nimrods blaming Paul Graham for the fact that they can't get a job. I don't see how filtering your way through that kind of sludge could ever be a win. although, I do have a (very simple) AI system for distinguishing intelligent and unintelligent comments. it would be trivial to filter all HN discussions through that on Hacker Newspaper. but it would also consume a lot of resources, computationally speaking, and it's the opposite of the 80/20 rule: huge effort for minimal gains. there's no baby in that bathwater. at the most there's some jizz. I don't need to save the jizz.