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Huawei is giving up the US market
- noonespecial 13y agoI figured that eventually people were going to just start saying "screw it, the US is just too hard" for commerce, travel, and expatriate employment. This is the country where a Russian got arrested for thought crime when he entered the country to give a speech at a conference for a product he produced in his own country according to its laws(1). I'm surprised its taken this long. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._ElcomSoft_and_Sklyarov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._ElcomSoft_and_...
- wslh 13y agoMy experience is the contrary: I have experience with customers from 30 different countries and, in general, dealing with US customers is the best experience in the business sense. I am working with long term contracts on Fortune 100 companies and small size companies too. The main factor is the search for a win/win goal and the focus in value. The Huawei case is much more specific. It is a chinese company selling security products. A bad match for US. I sell security related products to the main security vendors in US without any issue, and top security companies like Core Security sells to US Government Agencies even when they were founded in Argentina (obviously now established in US)
- ankitml 13y agoYou didnt read the wiki link above before commenting?
- stefantalpalaru 13y agoI already think twice about traveling to the US.
- mcintyre1994 13y agoI'm not going to defend that ridiculous case, but it wasn't 'thought crime'. He was arrested for breaking the DMCA, and I like to hope thought crime isn't illegal in America yet. Can I ask why you chose that wording?
- ianstallings 13y agoYeah, no company can make money in the US..
- CaptainZapp 13y agoHuawei has recently focused on Europe, where it doubled its workforce. In related news: Huawei's Zurich offices where raided yesterday and nine people where arrested. Allegedly they have flouted labor - and immigration laws. As in getting Chinese employees into Switzerland on tourist visas and flouting other immigration related and labor laws (missing work permits and such).
- hackerboos 13y agoSource?
- CaptainZapp 13y agoIn German : http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtschaft/unternehmen-und-konjunktur/Zuercher-Polizei-nimmt-neun-HuaweiMitarbeiter-fest/story/24279625 http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtschaft/unternehmen-und-konju...
- Luc 13y agohttp://www.ictjournal.ch/fr-CH/News/2013/04/25/Huawei-Suisse-perquisitionnee.aspx http://www.ictjournal.ch/fr-CH/News/2013/04/25/Huawei-Suisse... (French)
- fakeer 13y agoFcuk the source! It's true for most Asian companies and I myself have worked for one; have done that, been there. There was a time(many years ago when I was a fresher in that company and was sent on site) I used to to hear NOO, YOOO NOO GO HOME. YOO DO WORK. FOOD NO. WORK FIRST THEN GO HOTEL FOR FOOD. WHAT TIRED? MY ENGINEERS WORK 48 HOUR IN A LINE AND NO TIRED and just the sight of any person with tiny eyes, little nose and yellowish/whitish pale colour[1] made me feel like I should scheme to strangulate him/her somehow. What I was shocked to see that my manager was not alone. Almost(I could've avoided this word) everybody in the company was a workaholic. Felt like they were born this way and expected us to be the same. Though work on travel visa is one thing, work (backbreaking work) on business visa is such a standard procedure that nobody gives a damn anymore! [1] I am deeply sorry to write this and ashamed to admit this but this was how I felt. It's true!
- codesuela 13y agoHuawei has repudiated such plans: http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen/2013/04/25/chinas-huawei-dispels-reports-the-telecom-plans-to-quit-u-s-market/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen/2013/04/25/chinas-hu...
- shared4you 13y agoThis should've been the headline.
- mariusandra 13y agoTime for the cold cyberwar between the US and China
- Dirlewanger 13y agoWait, how exactly were they legally barred from setting up shop here? Is it because they were cited as supporting Chinese espionage or whatever not too long ago?
- yardie 13y agoTheir products are currently banned from being used in government contracts. And that is as in no Federal government data can transverse their devices. There are a lot of companies involved in these contracts (think, office supplies, vehicles, weapons, computers) and they would rather not be on the wrong side of a government investigation. Can't have an office if you won't have any customers. They were cited for selling equipment to Iran, then destroying the evidence when called out on it.
- rickdale 13y agoHuawei would have to defeat the general notion that Americans have that anything made in China is a cheap piece of crap. Americans don't realize that everything is made in China, even though all their products say so. Most Americans think Made In America means quality and are blinded to the fact that other countries have other brands and different ways to live. Huawei would have been screwed in America, it just sounds like a brand that would be selling electronics at the Dollar General.
- S_A_P 13y agoI disagree- I think Huawei would have to defeat the notion that their products have a backdoor that allows the Chinese government to directly access them and spy on/ attack the US. I think the stigma of made in china being cheap or second rate is largely gone now and replaced with the fear of china is gunning for us.
- shared4you 13y agoThey even offered their source code for the government for review, but Australian govt refused. They clearly mean business, and not spying. http://www.cso.com.au/article/440054/huawei_offers_australia_its_source_code_wants_rivals_do_it_too/ http://www.cso.com.au/article/440054/huawei_offers_australia...
- mpyne 13y agoYou need to read Ken Thompson's Reflections on Trusting Trust: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html Merely having the source available for review is hardly a guarantee of safety, without a way to verify that what's embedded in the ROM and microcode is identical. And why should Australia pay to make this verification when it would bump the TCO higher than competing kit?
- Volpe 13y agoSource for huaweis bid being more expensive? There are ways to verify, surely, checksum builds/roms etc.
- RainforestCx 13y agoI think this is a real shame. Huawei makes the best combo of cheap/quality Android phones I've been able to get my hands on. I use the low-end ones in hacking projects almost every day. Huawai isn't going anywhere, and this article also neglected to mention how popular the IDEOS is in Africa. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/111540-android-phone-huawei-ideos-africa http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/111540-android-phone-huawei-...
- swalsh 13y agoIncase anyone here is unfamiliar Huawei makes more then handsets. They also produce an eNodeB. There are legitimate potential security concerns there.
- signa11 13y agowell not even eNodeB's they also do all component of EPC core as well...
- Volpe 13y agoWhat are those concerns exactly? Does Chinese hardware to prime factorisation faster than others?
- swalsh 13y agoGenerally speaking its a bad idea to outsource "critical infrastructure", and that seems doubly true for a software product. Imagine if the chinese government had an office set up in the Huawei office, and "conspired" to inject a backdoor into their base stations. There's the potential to completely commandeer our cellular network or worse to silently use it as a method to ease drop on conversations from government or business executives. According to news reports, these fears aren't as farfetched as they sound either.
- nakedrobot2 13y agoThere is a lot of insider talk in the telecom industry about Huawei being complicit in hacking of various competitors, including Nortel (who were hacked and for four years did not close the security hole)
- hrish2006 13y agoHard to say if it is protectionism or there are legitimate concerns. Most smartphones and computers manufactured by companies like Apple, Dell, Lenovo have their factories in China. What's the guarantee that those devices are free from hardware hacking? The hardware is so complex nowadays that it is near impossible to detect if you have a chip or a circuit to do something malicious. For more, the Scientific American article on hardware hacking here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-hacker-in-your-hardware http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-hacker-...
- hrish2006 13y ago*read the
- spitx 13y agoHuawei's chairwoman, Sun Yafang, worked for Chinese intelligence before joining Huawei. Source(s): http://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2011/10/huaweis-chairwoman-worked-for-chinese.html http://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2011/10/huaweis-chairwoman-w... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fSL5mPB_18Q/TphTDDqd2OI/AAAAAAAAAIo/SIiIWNd5N5o/s1600/Sun+YaFang.png http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fSL5mPB_18Q/TphTDDqd2OI/AAAAAAAAAI... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/11/chinese-telecom-firm-tied-to-spy-ministry/print/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/11/chinese-tele... http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/osc/huawei.pdf http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/osc/huawei.pdf
- vivaforever 13y agoShe is a billionaire and needs to work for the government?
- jokoon 13y agoYay to my 60 euros, 5 days battery life, android 2.2 huawei phone ! Thanks china ! Because who really believes you can have everybody have their ferrari...
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- turingbook 13y agoAn interesting guess: What if one day the government of China bans Apple, Android, Windows, Cisco, IBM and other USA brands for political or backdoor concerns?