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Duetto compiles C++ applications to JavaScript

38 points by jiyinyiyong 14y ago

For the length, I omitted some words. The whole sentence here: Duetto is a software that compiles C++ applications to binary code and Javascript, allowing you to write high-performance, client-server distributed applications in a single C++ codebase. With Duetto, all your C++ applications can go to the web!

rrouse 14y ago
The claim is that they will have something usable in 6 months. I'll revisit it then and see if they make that promise :)
- joshguthrie 14y ago
  "Hey I just made a website, And my tech is crazy, But it's not yet ready, Come back in 6 months maybe?"
- IsTom 14y ago
  Considering how difficult it is to get an optimizing C++ compiler right, I wouldn't place my bets on that deadline.
pcunite 14y ago
I look forward to seeing this. Don't just focus on the gaming community.
- ExpiredLink 14y ago
  gaming == money. That's why you see so many gaming companies in the mobile market.
cjbprime 14y ago
Would be interested to hear how it differs from emscripten.
- voyou 14y ago
  This blog post from one of the people working on Duetto explains: http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798 http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798 Basically, the idea seems to be to translate more C++ features directly into high-level JavaScript equivalents, rather than into code that primarily operates on byte arrays, as I believe emscripten does.
nicholassmith 14y ago
I wait with some interest to see if delivers the goods. If it does then that will be massive for me personally, as I spend most of my time building C++ code. Great that they want to release it as open source as well, although I'm guessing they're going to be charging for it. And if they aren't, then they really should be.
- azakai 14y ago
  > Great that they want to release it as open source as well That is indeed good, but I was worried to see > Duetto is based on the LLVM stack, and uses patent-pending algorithms to ensure the highest performance. on their site. Not sure how it could be open sourced if it's patented.
  - shared4you 14y ago
    Patenting by itself is no harm. Many open-source licenses grant an explicit or implicit patent license to the source code. So, open-source + patented is certainly possible. A recent example is the case where Google bought patent license from MPEG-LA for VP8 codec. And then Google sublicensed it, giving a royalty-free patent license for every user of VP8 codec, along with the source code.
anguruso 14y ago
Could someone explain to me why this is useful? I'm not trying to be snarky, I really don't understand who would want this.
- neilxdsouza 14y ago
  I have a survey compiler that compiles to c++. Using this, I could compile the generated code to JS and get an html like app for free and in no time at all. emscripten is something on similar lines. If you pass --html to the compiler, it generates and html file which when you browse will run your program. Further, I have seen that you can pass a JavaScript file to emscripten. I asked on the emscripten irc, if I passed Jquery UI or Dojo toolkit as the JavaScript file to be embedded, could I have a UI Widget System embedded. But one of the logged in persons said, no one had asked about something like this.
m00dy 14y ago
if i had $100 , i wouldnt put my money on this.Im not sure about who uses this framework thingy.Old C++ gurus turn themselves into tech-entrepreneurs and use this framework to build web 2.0 app ? Or Rails guys may say "heyy look at C++ , it's strongly-typed and we can build web-apps like gurus? " or did i missed some-points ?
- TheCoelacanth 14y ago
  I think the target user is more like "we've got an existing codebase in C++; now we can run it in a browser".
- flipcoder 14y ago
  it has similar appeal to emscripten, which got quite popular
bryansum 14y ago
More information available on the author's blog: http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798 http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798
simonster 14y ago
Will Duetto compile to plain JavaScript, or to asm.js? It seems like emscripten + asm.js is already on par with other VM-based languages. (Native Client is faster, but it's not a VM, and it makes compromises for this speed, e.g. it allows modules to segfault and kill the process they're running in to avoid bounds checks.) An approach that compiles to plain JavaScript is unlikely to be faster. The Duetto folks mention asm.js in passing on the news page, but don't specifically state that it is their compilation target.
- fzzzy 14y ago
  Since they specifically mention compiling to normal js objects and not using the typedarray heap approach that is used by emscripten and asm.js, likely not asm.js.
api 14y ago
In other news: JavaScript is the new X86 assembly language. Of course, X86 is "not that bad" according to Linus et. al. But it is awfully full of cruft, and could be a lot better. Yet it's fixed and will probably remain so. I wouldn't be surprised if there are x86 CPUs of some sort in 500 years. It's the awesome power of installed userbase. JavaScript is the same. It's not that bad of a language... using node.js converted me from a hater to a mild-disliker. But it's got some really ugly stuff and is missing some very important things. But it's probably going to become one of the biggest and longest lasting languages due to its massive installed userbase.
jzf 14y ago
why.
- flipcoder 14y ago
  to quote Daniel Tosh: "Nobody rocks like C++"

38 points by jiyinyiyong 14y ago

rrouse 14y ago

The claim is that they will have something usable in 6 months. I'll revisit it then and see if they make that promise :)

joshguthrie 14y ago
"Hey I just made a website, And my tech is crazy, But it's not yet ready, Come back in 6 months maybe?"
IsTom 14y ago
Considering how difficult it is to get an optimizing C++ compiler right, I wouldn't place my bets on that deadline.

pcunite 14y ago

I look forward to seeing this. Don't just focus on the gaming community.

ExpiredLink 14y ago
gaming == money. That's why you see so many gaming companies in the mobile market.

cjbprime 14y ago

Would be interested to hear how it differs from emscripten.

voyou 14y ago
This blog post from one of the people working on Duetto explains: http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798 http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798 Basically, the idea seems to be to translate more C++ features directly into high-level JavaScript equivalents, rather than into code that primarily operates on byte arrays, as I believe emscripten does.

nicholassmith 14y ago

I wait with some interest to see if delivers the goods. If it does then that will be massive for me personally, as I spend most of my time building C++ code. Great that they want to release it as open source as well, although I'm guessing they're going to be charging for it. And if they aren't, then they really should be.

azakai 14y ago
> Great that they want to release it as open source as well That is indeed good, but I was worried to see > Duetto is based on the LLVM stack, and uses patent-pending algorithms to ensure the highest performance. on their site. Not sure how it could be open sourced if it's patented.
- shared4you 14y ago
  Patenting by itself is no harm. Many open-source licenses grant an explicit or implicit patent license to the source code. So, open-source + patented is certainly possible. A recent example is the case where Google bought patent license from MPEG-LA for VP8 codec. And then Google sublicensed it, giving a royalty-free patent license for every user of VP8 codec, along with the source code.

anguruso 14y ago

Could someone explain to me why this is useful? I'm not trying to be snarky, I really don't understand who would want this.

neilxdsouza 14y ago
I have a survey compiler that compiles to c++. Using this, I could compile the generated code to JS and get an html like app for free and in no time at all. emscripten is something on similar lines. If you pass --html to the compiler, it generates and html file which when you browse will run your program. Further, I have seen that you can pass a JavaScript file to emscripten. I asked on the emscripten irc, if I passed Jquery UI or Dojo toolkit as the JavaScript file to be embedded, could I have a UI Widget System embedded. But one of the logged in persons said, no one had asked about something like this.

m00dy 14y ago

if i had $100 , i wouldnt put my money on this.Im not sure about who uses this framework thingy.Old C++ gurus turn themselves into tech-entrepreneurs and use this framework to build web 2.0 app ? Or Rails guys may say "heyy look at C++ , it's strongly-typed and we can build web-apps like gurus? " or did i missed some-points ?

TheCoelacanth 14y ago
I think the target user is more like "we've got an existing codebase in C++; now we can run it in a browser".
flipcoder 14y ago
it has similar appeal to emscripten, which got quite popular

bryansum 14y ago

More information available on the author's blog: http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798 http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=798

simonster 14y ago

Will Duetto compile to plain JavaScript, or to asm.js? It seems like emscripten + asm.js is already on par with other VM-based languages. (Native Client is faster, but it's not a VM, and it makes compromises for this speed, e.g. it allows modules to segfault and kill the process they're running in to avoid bounds checks.) An approach that compiles to plain JavaScript is unlikely to be faster. The Duetto folks mention asm.js in passing on the news page, but don't specifically state that it is their compilation target.

fzzzy 14y ago
Since they specifically mention compiling to normal js objects and not using the typedarray heap approach that is used by emscripten and asm.js, likely not asm.js.

api 14y ago

In other news: JavaScript is the new X86 assembly language. Of course, X86 is "not that bad" according to Linus et. al. But it is awfully full of cruft, and could be a lot better. Yet it's fixed and will probably remain so. I wouldn't be surprised if there are x86 CPUs of some sort in 500 years. It's the awesome power of installed userbase. JavaScript is the same. It's not that bad of a language... using node.js converted me from a hater to a mild-disliker. But it's got some really ugly stuff and is missing some very important things. But it's probably going to become one of the biggest and longest lasting languages due to its massive installed userbase.

jzf 14y ago

why.

flipcoder 14y ago
to quote Daniel Tosh: "Nobody rocks like C++"