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Is Twitter overhyped?

12 points by technologizer 18y ago

ivankirigin 18y ago
This came up in a poker game yesterday. I pointed out to someone who thought Twitter peaked: - They grew close to 100% last month - I've gotten more business contacts over twitter than LinkedIn & Facebook combined - Twitter is much more conversational than Facebook when between strangers. That makes the business & celeb side of it stronger. I expect Facebook to do more to let companies better engage with their users. One problem is the privacy. Facebook conversations are largely hidden from the public eye. How will my wall-to-wall comment about shitty Comcast service get picked up by them? I do think the celeb hype around twitter is just insane. Multiple talk show hosts spend a lot of time begging people to sign up. You really can't pay for that kind of PR.
- rms 18y ago
  What has got me to (occasionally) use twitter is interacting with celebrities. I had a small interaction with one of my favorite rappers which is neat. And if you ever want a 140 character response from Craig Newmark, send him a tweet, the man is a machine, he answers absolutely every single message. And if you say "craigslist" without directing it to him he'll still probably say something.
  - nir 18y ago
    It seems like one of the things that exist when a medium is young and there aren't that many people using it. There were probably some celebs you could email in 1990 (or IM in 1997) and have them reply. I doubt this will last if Twitter grows much.
    - ivankirigin 18y ago
      There is definitely a problem in scaling this kind of application. Many people run into it when they start following more than, say, 400 people.
    - rms 18y ago
      I think it could last. I wouldn't expect celebs to answer every message, but there's something inherently appealing to the 140 character limit that makes it feel more manageable.
wmf 18y ago
Twitter is great when used for its intended purpose (bitching, ego inflation, finding parties at SXSW). Many of the newer use cases - marketing over Twitter, customer support over Twitter, payments over Twitter, technical debate over Twitter, IP over Twitter, etc. - appear very cumbersome and inefficient compared to the old ways. We have been here before. I remember a company in 2001 that built some sort of business app that routed all its traffic over the public Gnutella network - just because. When I see people doing something over Twitter just because, that's overhyped.
- mechanical_fish 18y ago
  very cumbersome and inefficient compared to the old ways Okay, I'll bite on some of this. marketing over Twitter Compared to email marketing? For which I cannot enforce opt-in? Which deluges me in content that I don't necessarily have time to read? Shall I even bother comparing it to telemarketing -- is there any question what will win that comparison? Advantage: Twitter. customer support over Twitter I've never heard of one-to-one customer support over Twitter. Surely email is better, except when the spam filters intervene. For FAQs there are wikis and forums and good old web pages and new-fangled ticket tracking sites. But what about generic, time-sensitive or high-priority hints, suitable for a sizeable fraction of the userbase? "Sorry for the outage; we are working on it." "Everyone should know that there's a security bug that has just been fixed." "Today 50 people have asked about Feature X. It's right there in the Bookmarks menu. Read the updated FAQ." These are the kinds of messages that aren't a good fit for bulk email. There's never really been a good venue for them before. [1] Twitter is going to spawn a lot more of them. I'm not sure about payments over Twitter, but I know better than to laugh: I remember when PayPal was hilariously funny. --- [1] Okay, RSS feeds. But Twitter is, among other things, an RSS feed that non-technical humans can understand. And that is constrained to be blessedly short. And there are other semantic and social differences.
  - wallflower 18y ago
    > I've never heard of one-to-one customer support over Twitter Comcast http://twitter.com/ComcastCares http://twitter.com/ComcastCares
JereCoh 18y ago
Yes.
- toodlestech 18y ago
  I've been saying this all along.
- gord 18y ago
  yes, and I was quite amazed at how well marketed it is. The girl who is responsible for such viral ninjitsu memes as "I heard it on twitter first that a plane landed in the hudson.. safely" makes Seth Godin look like an agorophobic dislexik.
- csbartus 18y ago
  For us, definitely. For the media, a necessity.
roberto 18y ago
Q: What's the difference between Twitter and setting your status on a XMPP client? A: XMPP scales.
- bradgessler 18y ago
  A: XMPP doesn't keep a public log of your status updates.
- calambrac 18y ago
  I can use the word Twitter around a non-programmer and they understand what I'm saying? Twitter persists messages? Twitter is public? The Twitter API is drop-dead simple? Twitter popularized asymmetrical following?
rrival 18y ago
When did Evan become 'Ev'?
- jimfl 18y ago
  Since forever.
- lacker 18y ago
  The same way you are "rrival".
Zak 18y ago
>I question what’s the point? It solves a question that nobody asked, and feeds the narcissism that pervades our culture. The question contains its own answer, partially. I can see wanting lighter blogging tools, but what I don't quite get is why so many people want something limited to such short messages. Does the majority of the population want all conversation reduced to soundbite-sized posts? What am I missing here?
- robotrout 18y ago
  It's been said that the enforced brevity is somehow liberating. You can't be eloquent in 140 characters, so you don't need to stress so much about trying to be. Same can be said for texting.
gilesgoatboy 18y ago
I sometimes wonder if the sky is blue.
ojbyrne 18y ago
From the article -- "or accept a fair market valuation to be acquired and become a part of something that’s more interesting." The problem is that as a feature it's worthless. It can be recreated relatively simply. It has no value beyond the network effect, and it's been demonstrated a bunch of times that the network effect doesn't follow acquisitions (dodgeball anyone? jaiku ftw?). That is the unsolved problem - not how to build a community, but how to monetize one. I think that facebook (at least until they decided to ripoff twitter) was the closest to solving that problem.
jemmons 18y ago
No.
zmimon 18y ago
There's no doubt it's overhyped, but there's also no doubt that, rightly or not, it's making a huge impact. In fact, I think it's a fascinating case study in how the most horribly implemented and feature deprived technologies are sometimes the most successful. IMHO, the one and only thing they did right, and which made all the difference, was to implement SMS as a gateway. This made it possible for everyone to use twitter before actual twitter clients existed. And ironically this in turn forced them to make the service completely feature deprived - bizarrely short length, no links, no images, no formatting in messages ... If someone had proposed it to me I would have immediately said they needed a richer client - how could they start so far behind what everyone already expected from a simple IM client? Well, I think it was exactly that which actually drove the success of the whole thing.
paul7986 18y ago
Twitter's killer product is search.. Google you search websites. Twitter you search conversations. More ppl have conversations then have a website! The hype is accurate as it will prove very complimentary to Google or become a Google killer. The crowd is rarely wrong; if it was Google wouldn't be what it is today!
quizbiz 18y ago
Twitter went a long while with the "web crowd" being bombarded with it but there was no mainstream acceptance. Then within the last month or so, somewhere around the senators using it during the State of the Union, light night comedy, news networks, even the radio program I listen to in the mornings can't stop talking about it. Personally, I still don't see the point and I'm a little irritated at Facebook for implementing a Twitter-like interface core.

12 points by technologizer 18y ago

This came up in a poker game yesterday. I pointed out to someone who thought Twitter peaked: - They grew close to 100% last month - I've gotten more business contacts over twitter than LinkedIn & Facebook combined - Twitter is much more conversational than Facebook when between strangers. That makes the business & celeb side of it stronger. I expect Facebook to do more to let companies better engage with their users. One problem is the privacy. Facebook conversations are largely hidden from the public eye. How will my wall-to-wall comment about shitty Comcast service get picked up by them? I do think the celeb hype around twitter is just insane. Multiple talk show hosts spend a lot of time begging people to sign up. You really can't pay for that kind of PR.

rms 18y ago
What has got me to (occasionally) use twitter is interacting with celebrities. I had a small interaction with one of my favorite rappers which is neat. And if you ever want a 140 character response from Craig Newmark, send him a tweet, the man is a machine, he answers absolutely every single message. And if you say "craigslist" without directing it to him he'll still probably say something.
- nir 18y ago
  It seems like one of the things that exist when a medium is young and there aren't that many people using it. There were probably some celebs you could email in 1990 (or IM in 1997) and have them reply. I doubt this will last if Twitter grows much.
  - ivankirigin 18y ago
    There is definitely a problem in scaling this kind of application. Many people run into it when they start following more than, say, 400 people.
  - rms 18y ago
    I think it could last. I wouldn't expect celebs to answer every message, but there's something inherently appealing to the 140 character limit that makes it feel more manageable.

wmf 18y ago

Twitter is great when used for its intended purpose (bitching, ego inflation, finding parties at SXSW). Many of the newer use cases - marketing over Twitter, customer support over Twitter, payments over Twitter, technical debate over Twitter, IP over Twitter, etc. - appear very cumbersome and inefficient compared to the old ways. We have been here before. I remember a company in 2001 that built some sort of business app that routed all its traffic over the public Gnutella network - just because. When I see people doing something over Twitter just because, that's overhyped.

mechanical_fish 18y ago
very cumbersome and inefficient compared to the old ways Okay, I'll bite on some of this. marketing over Twitter Compared to email marketing? For which I cannot enforce opt-in? Which deluges me in content that I don't necessarily have time to read? Shall I even bother comparing it to telemarketing -- is there any question what will win that comparison? Advantage: Twitter. customer support over Twitter I've never heard of one-to-one customer support over Twitter. Surely email is better, except when the spam filters intervene. For FAQs there are wikis and forums and good old web pages and new-fangled ticket tracking sites. But what about generic, time-sensitive or high-priority hints, suitable for a sizeable fraction of the userbase? "Sorry for the outage; we are working on it." "Everyone should know that there's a security bug that has just been fixed." "Today 50 people have asked about Feature X. It's right there in the Bookmarks menu. Read the updated FAQ." These are the kinds of messages that aren't a good fit for bulk email. There's never really been a good venue for them before. [1] Twitter is going to spawn a lot more of them. I'm not sure about payments over Twitter, but I know better than to laugh: I remember when PayPal was hilariously funny. --- [1] Okay, RSS feeds. But Twitter is, among other things, an RSS feed that non-technical humans can understand. And that is constrained to be blessedly short. And there are other semantic and social differences.
- wallflower 18y ago
  > I've never heard of one-to-one customer support over Twitter Comcast http://twitter.com/ComcastCares http://twitter.com/ComcastCares

JereCoh 18y ago

Yes.

toodlestech 18y ago
I've been saying this all along.
gord 18y ago
yes, and I was quite amazed at how well marketed it is. The girl who is responsible for such viral ninjitsu memes as "I heard it on twitter first that a plane landed in the hudson.. safely" makes Seth Godin look like an agorophobic dislexik.
csbartus 18y ago
For us, definitely. For the media, a necessity.

roberto 18y ago

Q: What's the difference between Twitter and setting your status on a XMPP client? A: XMPP scales.

bradgessler 18y ago
A: XMPP doesn't keep a public log of your status updates.
calambrac 18y ago
I can use the word Twitter around a non-programmer and they understand what I'm saying? Twitter persists messages? Twitter is public? The Twitter API is drop-dead simple? Twitter popularized asymmetrical following?

rrival 18y ago

When did Evan become 'Ev'?

jimfl 18y ago
Since forever.
lacker 18y ago
The same way you are "rrival".

Zak 18y ago

>I question what’s the point? It solves a question that nobody asked, and feeds the narcissism that pervades our culture. The question contains its own answer, partially. I can see wanting lighter blogging tools, but what I don't quite get is why so many people want something limited to such short messages. Does the majority of the population want all conversation reduced to soundbite-sized posts? What am I missing here?

robotrout 18y ago
It's been said that the enforced brevity is somehow liberating. You can't be eloquent in 140 characters, so you don't need to stress so much about trying to be. Same can be said for texting.

gilesgoatboy 18y ago

I sometimes wonder if the sky is blue.

ojbyrne 18y ago

From the article -- "or accept a fair market valuation to be acquired and become a part of something that’s more interesting." The problem is that as a feature it's worthless. It can be recreated relatively simply. It has no value beyond the network effect, and it's been demonstrated a bunch of times that the network effect doesn't follow acquisitions (dodgeball anyone? jaiku ftw?). That is the unsolved problem - not how to build a community, but how to monetize one. I think that facebook (at least until they decided to ripoff twitter) was the closest to solving that problem.

jemmons 18y ago

No.

zmimon 18y ago

There's no doubt it's overhyped, but there's also no doubt that, rightly or not, it's making a huge impact. In fact, I think it's a fascinating case study in how the most horribly implemented and feature deprived technologies are sometimes the most successful. IMHO, the one and only thing they did right, and which made all the difference, was to implement SMS as a gateway. This made it possible for everyone to use twitter before actual twitter clients existed. And ironically this in turn forced them to make the service completely feature deprived - bizarrely short length, no links, no images, no formatting in messages ... If someone had proposed it to me I would have immediately said they needed a richer client - how could they start so far behind what everyone already expected from a simple IM client? Well, I think it was exactly that which actually drove the success of the whole thing.

paul7986 18y ago

Twitter's killer product is search.. Google you search websites. Twitter you search conversations. More ppl have conversations then have a website! The hype is accurate as it will prove very complimentary to Google or become a Google killer. The crowd is rarely wrong; if it was Google wouldn't be what it is today!

quizbiz 18y ago

Twitter went a long while with the "web crowd" being bombarded with it but there was no mainstream acceptance. Then within the last month or so, somewhere around the senators using it during the State of the Union, light night comedy, news networks, even the radio program I listen to in the mornings can't stop talking about it. Personally, I still don't see the point and I'm a little irritated at Facebook for implementing a Twitter-like interface core.