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>Google has overstayed the web's welcome. Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. No

by blhack 14y ago

>Google has overstayed the web's welcome. Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. No, google has not "overstayed the web's welcome", google has overstayed the welcome of a few entitled silicon valley golddiggers who will continue feeling wronged for the next 10 minutes until they realize what wonderful things google has created in the world for them to use.

flyinRyan 14y ago
>what wonderful things google has created in the world for them to use. Like.... search? That's all they made that I used. Every other product of theirs I used wasn't theirs when I started using it. They bought it and often fucked it up. In another post you go on about how we should be so excited by google cars and google glass. I am excited such things have been made but I'm very disappointed that they come from google. If I ride in a google car am I going to get to recover that wasted travel time by reading a book or working on my laptop? Or will I be unable to do anything because some shitty ad is blasted at me the whole way (or, worse, at regular annoying intervals)? Same thing with google glass, this could add so much but will it? Or is this going to end up as a way for google to blast more shitty ads at me?
kunai 14y ago
> Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. I use Yahoo (flame me all you want), I use Firefox, and I do own an iPhone. But I am not going to shut up about it, because Google is forcing me away even though they're the best at what they do. I hate them because I care.
- 3825 14y ago
  >I hate them because I care. I am sorry but I can't understand your rationale. Please elaborate? What do you care about and what do you hate? Do you care about Google as a publicly shared company and hate the lack of focus in the growing company? Do you care about the web and hate the growth of walled gardens? >Google is forcing me away even though they're the best at what they do What specifically bothers you? If there is one thing I have learned from the Internet, it is that I am never first and I am never unique. Perhaps, someone else has found workarounds for the problems you face? I don't know why anyone would choose to use Y! Search but Firefox is a great web browser and the iPhone is a great app phone (not that you needed my validation). In any case, wish you all the best. :)
  - thisisrobv 14y ago
    Google has done an amazing job of mixing really shitty practices like this with really amazing things like the self driving car and glass. As long as they continue to diversify and innovate they will have supporters... even if they often break their "don't be evil" motto.
    - indubitably 14y ago
      Is glass really that amazing? Personally I think it's going to fail, like a long line of recent Google products.
      - thisisrobv 14y ago
        Not sure it'll be a huge consumer hit, but you can't argue that they're innovating, they're continuing to push technology further.
      - Joeri 14y ago
        I consider it like the 1980's cell phone. Way too expensive, not nearly capable enough, and you look really silly using it. But then let it evolve for a decade or two, and you might get something inevitable. Eventually i'm expecting something like the augmented reality in the TV show continuum, and that is something people would really be into.
    - adamauckland 13y ago
      It's almost as if Google isn't a single person...
latj 14y ago
I like duckduckgo.com. Somehow, whenever I try it I always end up back over at google. The results arent really better at google- they are just tied into the way we work and live. Its hard to untangle it all. I also like firefox and opera. But again, I am at this moment using chrome. I dont know how it happens.
coldtea 14y ago
>Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. And who exactly are you to tell him to "shut up about it"? He made his case. You might disagree. State your case and let the discussion continue. Anything else --like telling him to "shup up"-- should be beneath HN standards. For one, people do use alternative products. It's not as if Chrome is the ultimate browser. It's not like Android is the ultimate phone OS. The only real Google stronghold is search. Even there, Bing has come a long way, lots of geeks prefer DuckDuckGo, and 1.3 Billion Chinese could not care less about Google Search for example. More than that, people would be really happy to see a real contender in the search space in the West too. And, more importantly, one market leading service does not justify taking abuse from the company that offers it -- or putting up with their other mediocre offerings. Actually, come to think of it, nothing justifies taking abuse from any company or putting up with BS schemes they make. Even if they are the only ones selling water in Sahara.
- ender7 14y ago
  I don't know, he/she didn't really "make a case". Read it again -- the OP doesn't actually say anything in the grandparent post besides "they used to be great, but now I hate them". Why does the OP hate them? Who knows! The fact that such a contentless diatribe is at #1 is depressing. That too should be beneath HN's standards.
  - kunai 14y ago
    > Why does the OP hate them? Who knows! I quite clearly stated this in my post. Everything that isn't research-based, or what is user-oriented, like Google+, YouTube, etc. has been milked to death and ruined in the process. Other things, like how they consistently buy off startups and kill them, also annoy the hell out of me. > The fact that such a contentless diatribe is at #1 is depressing. That too should be beneath HN's standards. Obviously opinions, while mixed, account for half of reasoning. Opinions seem to be in the favor that Google has lost its way.
    - sultezdukes 14y ago
olliesaunders 14y ago
Nah, switch to DuckDuckGo and Firefox please :)
- Arelius 14y ago
  You know. I have DDG setup as my default search engine, but I find that I use "!g" way too often.
- jcbrand 14y ago
  People don't seem to be aware of https://startpage.com/ https://startpage.com/ They anonymize your search data and then send it off to Google search. I tried DDG a few times, and as much as I want to like it, their search results weren't as good as Google's.
  - mtreis86 14y ago
    Are you aware of the different way to input your search they (ddg) use? They prioritize your search based on the order you input words. After realizing that, I can find almost everything from there. And if not you can use their !bang syntax to continue the same search in whatever other search engine you like. Google won't link me to a bing search. But ddg will. If I search "search engine best rated" and do not see results I am looking for I just ad "!g" or "!b" to it and it takes you right into the results of that search for google or bing. How is that not more effective?
gcb0 14y ago
> Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, they are still smart enough not to screw their search. The very second you have to be logged in to search, they are dead. but for everything else... want to leave a review in googleAppstore? enable g+. Want to thumbs up a video on youtube? enable g+. Want to do something in picasa? enable g+ (i don't even know which feature i was using, because i never was able to use the product enough to remember) well, for all those, I've switched to something better. vimeo now wins my content. I'm back at flickr pro. and amazon app store I'd use you if i didn't installed all my APKs after compiling them from source. (for your point of using internet explorer? what are you? twelve?) ... typed on Opera. with Firefox being used for work underneath
- dombili 14y ago
  I'm sorry but do you really need to enable G+ to do all those things? I've enabled G+ long time ago without Google asking me to, so I'm genuinely asking. I'm too lazy to create an account just to check it out.
  - anoncow 14y ago
    I have an old blogger account and was being prompted to switch to using g+. The prompt said that I could do a trial run and I decided to switch. However, after switching to my real name, I couldn't find a link to switch back to my blogger username. Luckily somebody had blogged about it and found a link to switch back. The change would have been permanent after 30(?) days. I wonder how many bloggers have their real names and pics appear alongside their blog posts in google search because of this.
  - miahi 14y ago
    Yes, you are prompted to enable G+ in many "normal" activities. You are also prompted to "unify your accounts" and "use your real name" in youtube. You cannot even skip that "use your real name" prompt, I usually reload the link I wanted and hope the window disappears. Not sure a new account helps, G+ could be enabled from the start.
wisty 14y ago
> has overstayed the welcome of a few entitled silicon valley golddiggers Is the web a bunch of people posting pictures of their cats, and commenting on "news" stories; or the people who are building it?
vor_ 14y ago
The harshness of your reply seems unwarranted.
debaserab2 14y ago
No one's doubting that Google has a great of achievement or hasn't earned the success they have. That doesn't mean that people don't have a right to criticize the google that exists today.
throwawayG9 14y ago
I stopped using all of their products about a year and a half, thank you very much. And I never looked back, I feel safer than ever, I'm not being tracked all the time, I own my data, and I will never have to fear again being banned for no reason or having a service shut down overnight and losing all of my data. I can do whatever I want.
- jonathansizz 14y ago
  So you don't use the web anymore?
  - throwawayG9 14y ago
    The web wasn't born with Google, and is not going to end if it goes away. I use the web everyday, I can't live without it. I learned half of everything I know thanks to it, and with that knowledge I'm now working from home, earning more than any of my friends. I recommend you to try to replace the services you use one by one, until there is only one big step left to make, and that's it. You can be free again after that (or for the first time, if you are very young and have always used google products).
- jlillyreed 14y ago
  If you think Google is the only one tracking you on the web, gooooood luck!
  - throwawayG9 14y ago
    I haven't said that. I'm sure there is a fallacy that matches what you said.

by blhack 14y ago

flyinRyan 14y ago

>what wonderful things google has created in the world for them to use. Like.... search? That's all they made that I used. Every other product of theirs I used wasn't theirs when I started using it. They bought it and often fucked it up. In another post you go on about how we should be so excited by google cars and google glass. I am excited such things have been made but I'm very disappointed that they come from google. If I ride in a google car am I going to get to recover that wasted travel time by reading a book or working on my laptop? Or will I be unable to do anything because some shitty ad is blasted at me the whole way (or, worse, at regular annoying intervals)? Same thing with google glass, this could add so much but will it? Or is this going to end up as a way for google to blast more shitty ads at me?

kunai 14y ago

> Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. I use Yahoo (flame me all you want), I use Firefox, and I do own an iPhone. But I am not going to shut up about it, because Google is forcing me away even though they're the best at what they do. I hate them because I care.

3825 14y ago
>I hate them because I care. I am sorry but I can't understand your rationale. Please elaborate? What do you care about and what do you hate? Do you care about Google as a publicly shared company and hate the lack of focus in the growing company? Do you care about the web and hate the growth of walled gardens? >Google is forcing me away even though they're the best at what they do What specifically bothers you? If there is one thing I have learned from the Internet, it is that I am never first and I am never unique. Perhaps, someone else has found workarounds for the problems you face? I don't know why anyone would choose to use Y! Search but Firefox is a great web browser and the iPhone is a great app phone (not that you needed my validation). In any case, wish you all the best. :)
- thisisrobv 14y ago
  Google has done an amazing job of mixing really shitty practices like this with really amazing things like the self driving car and glass. As long as they continue to diversify and innovate they will have supporters... even if they often break their "don't be evil" motto.
  - indubitably 14y ago
    Is glass really that amazing? Personally I think it's going to fail, like a long line of recent Google products.
    - thisisrobv 14y ago
      Not sure it'll be a huge consumer hit, but you can't argue that they're innovating, they're continuing to push technology further.
    - Joeri 14y ago
      I consider it like the 1980's cell phone. Way too expensive, not nearly capable enough, and you look really silly using it. But then let it evolve for a decade or two, and you might get something inevitable. Eventually i'm expecting something like the augmented reality in the TV show continuum, and that is something people would really be into.
  - adamauckland 13y ago
    It's almost as if Google isn't a single person...

latj 14y ago

I like duckduckgo.com. Somehow, whenever I try it I always end up back over at google. The results arent really better at google- they are just tied into the way we work and live. Its hard to untangle it all. I also like firefox and opera. But again, I am at this moment using chrome. I dont know how it happens.

coldtea 14y ago

>Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. And who exactly are you to tell him to "shut up about it"? He made his case. You might disagree. State your case and let the discussion continue. Anything else --like telling him to "shup up"-- should be beneath HN standards. For one, people do use alternative products. It's not as if Chrome is the ultimate browser. It's not like Android is the ultimate phone OS. The only real Google stronghold is search. Even there, Bing has come a long way, lots of geeks prefer DuckDuckGo, and 1.3 Billion Chinese could not care less about Google Search for example. More than that, people would be really happy to see a real contender in the search space in the West too. And, more importantly, one market leading service does not justify taking abuse from the company that offers it -- or putting up with their other mediocre offerings. Actually, come to think of it, nothing justifies taking abuse from any company or putting up with BS schemes they make. Even if they are the only ones selling water in Sahara.

ender7 14y ago
I don't know, he/she didn't really "make a case". Read it again -- the OP doesn't actually say anything in the grandparent post besides "they used to be great, but now I hate them". Why does the OP hate them? Who knows! The fact that such a contentless diatribe is at #1 is depressing. That too should be beneath HN's standards.
- kunai 14y ago
  > Why does the OP hate them? Who knows! I quite clearly stated this in my post. Everything that isn't research-based, or what is user-oriented, like Google+, YouTube, etc. has been milked to death and ruined in the process. Other things, like how they consistently buy off startups and kill them, also annoy the hell out of me. > The fact that such a contentless diatribe is at #1 is depressing. That too should be beneath HN's standards. Obviously opinions, while mixed, account for half of reasoning. Opinions seem to be in the favor that Google has lost its way.
  - sultezdukes 14y ago

olliesaunders 14y ago

Nah, switch to DuckDuckGo and Firefox please :)

Arelius 14y ago
You know. I have DDG setup as my default search engine, but I find that I use "!g" way too often.
jcbrand 14y ago
People don't seem to be aware of https://startpage.com/ https://startpage.com/ They anonymize your search data and then send it off to Google search. I tried DDG a few times, and as much as I want to like it, their search results weren't as good as Google's.
- mtreis86 14y ago
  Are you aware of the different way to input your search they (ddg) use? They prioritize your search based on the order you input words. After realizing that, I can find almost everything from there. And if not you can use their !bang syntax to continue the same search in whatever other search engine you like. Google won't link me to a bing search. But ddg will. If I search "search engine best rated" and do not see results I am looking for I just ad "!g" or "!b" to it and it takes you right into the results of that search for google or bing. How is that not more effective?

gcb0 14y ago

> Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, they are still smart enough not to screw their search. The very second you have to be logged in to search, they are dead. but for everything else... want to leave a review in googleAppstore? enable g+. Want to thumbs up a video on youtube? enable g+. Want to do something in picasa? enable g+ (i don't even know which feature i was using, because i never was able to use the product enough to remember) well, for all those, I've switched to something better. vimeo now wins my content. I'm back at flickr pro. and amazon app store I'd use you if i didn't installed all my APKs after compiling them from source. (for your point of using internet explorer? what are you? twelve?) ... typed on Opera. with Firefox being used for work underneath

dombili 14y ago
I'm sorry but do you really need to enable G+ to do all those things? I've enabled G+ long time ago without Google asking me to, so I'm genuinely asking. I'm too lazy to create an account just to check it out.
- anoncow 14y ago
  I have an old blogger account and was being prompted to switch to using g+. The prompt said that I could do a trial run and I decided to switch. However, after switching to my real name, I couldn't find a link to switch back to my blogger username. Luckily somebody had blogged about it and found a link to switch back. The change would have been permanent after 30(?) days. I wonder how many bloggers have their real names and pics appear alongside their blog posts in google search because of this.
- miahi 14y ago
  Yes, you are prompted to enable G+ in many "normal" activities. You are also prompted to "unify your accounts" and "use your real name" in youtube. You cannot even skip that "use your real name" prompt, I usually reload the link I wanted and hope the window disappears. Not sure a new account helps, G+ could be enabled from the start.

wisty 14y ago

> has overstayed the welcome of a few entitled silicon valley golddiggers Is the web a bunch of people posting pictures of their cats, and commenting on "news" stories; or the people who are building it?

vor_ 14y ago

The harshness of your reply seems unwarranted.

debaserab2 14y ago

No one's doubting that Google has a great of achievement or hasn't earned the success they have. That doesn't mean that people don't have a right to criticize the google that exists today.

throwawayG9 14y ago

I stopped using all of their products about a year and a half, thank you very much. And I never looked back, I feel safer than ever, I'm not being tracked all the time, I own my data, and I will never have to fear again being banned for no reason or having a service shut down overnight and losing all of my data. I can do whatever I want.

jonathansizz 14y ago
So you don't use the web anymore?
- throwawayG9 14y ago
  The web wasn't born with Google, and is not going to end if it goes away. I use the web everyday, I can't live without it. I learned half of everything I know thanks to it, and with that knowledge I'm now working from home, earning more than any of my friends. I recommend you to try to replace the services you use one by one, until there is only one big step left to make, and that's it. You can be free again after that (or for the first time, if you are very young and have always used google products).
jlillyreed 14y ago
If you think Google is the only one tracking you on the web, gooooood luck!
- throwawayG9 14y ago
  I haven't said that. I'm sure there is a fallacy that matches what you said.