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>"There is no "patent" on... creating a more durable (and by that I mean self sustainable) service which has the same capability." I'd love to hear why you bel

by mapgrep 13y ago

>"There is no "patent" on... creating a more durable (and by that I mean self sustainable) service which has the same capability." I'd love to hear why you believe going from a decentralized open shared system like RSS to a centralized proprietary system controlled by one corporation (Google+) is even conceivably more "durable." I'd bet $100 that Google+ sharing will be dead and buried long before RSS goes anywhere.

endlessvoid94 13y ago
I trust google to build good infrastructure more than I trust the collective developer community. That's one reason -- whatever they build will be more robust, flexible, and extensible. And immediately adopted by hundreds of millions of people automatically. I guess that's not the same as "durable", but playing devil's advocate, those seem like good reasons to me.
- elviejo 13y ago
  The internet was built by a deceloper community collective... spread around the world in different universities... linux was built by another collective... and bittorrent... and apache.... have we forgotten that open distibuted systems are the most durable ones??
- Periodic 13y ago
  The RSS system was partially so painful because it was so fragmented. Some pages had links to feeds, some used the proper meta tags, some just didn't have them because they lost control of the presentation of the content. Some were headline only, some were snippets, some were full-article. And every few months one of my feeds would change location so I'd have go set up the new feed. Sometimes they'd just go dark because their provider had an error and the blog author might not even know. In short, the RSS system had lots of nice properties, but it just wasn't compelling, partially because it was so fragmented. Google will generally make robust infrastructure that exists much longer than most small sites. I'm willing to put some trust in them, though I personally dislike G+.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
I'm sorry you inverted my point. My point was that RSS was created by the community (and Dave Winer :-) and FeedBurner was created by two guys as I recall, its not impossible to make such systems so they will survive. Hence the whining about Google's action is misplaced. BTW, I'll take that bet on Google+ if we can agree on a future date :-) I think Google is in to Google+ for the long haul, killing it will take a long long time.
- mapgrep 13y ago
  Ah, sorry I misread you! :) I hesitate to put an expiration date on Google+, except relative to RSS. Hmm.
redorb 13y ago
I wouldn't bet against a lot of money (google) shutting down something they have seemed to bet a lot on. I believe Google shutting down Google Reader already means that 'RSS has gone somewhere' or will on July 1.. [edit] I also think Google backing off the shutdown would show a lot of users that it does listen and is willing to continue running a sub-par unit instead of shutting it down.
- jacquesm 13y ago
  > I wouldn't bet against a lot of money (google) shutting down something they have seemed to bet a lot on. You mean like google wave? Or checkout? Or google buzz? Or any one of a large number of other products / projects that are no longer.
  - redorb 13y ago
    I would hope to never disagree with you - a very smart fellow on here. I however believe Google has put multiplies more money and 'skin in the game' when it comes to Google+... examples of what I think are the way they are pushing it so aggressively by integrating it everywhere. Wave was a pretty large launch I'll admit - but it still felt like an experiment - It felt like to me Google has said publicly in many ways 'This is how we are competing with Facebook and we'll stick with it till it works' - pertaining to Google + Google Buzz was lot softer launch and commitment... Checkout is still alive right? *I do miss wave, my friends and I (with office jobs)used it as a chat channel throughout the workday. We have since moved to hall.com - wave still beats hall though...
    - pbhjpbhj 13y ago
      Did you try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave? >Apache Wave is a software framework for real-time collaborative editing online. Google originally developed it as Google Wave.[1] It was announced at the Google I/O conference on May 27, 2009. [...] >Development was handed over to the Apache Software Foundation which started to develop a server-based product called Wave in a Box.

by mapgrep 13y ago

endlessvoid94 13y ago

I trust google to build good infrastructure more than I trust the collective developer community. That's one reason -- whatever they build will be more robust, flexible, and extensible. And immediately adopted by hundreds of millions of people automatically. I guess that's not the same as "durable", but playing devil's advocate, those seem like good reasons to me.

elviejo 13y ago
The internet was built by a deceloper community collective... spread around the world in different universities... linux was built by another collective... and bittorrent... and apache.... have we forgotten that open distibuted systems are the most durable ones??
Periodic 13y ago
The RSS system was partially so painful because it was so fragmented. Some pages had links to feeds, some used the proper meta tags, some just didn't have them because they lost control of the presentation of the content. Some were headline only, some were snippets, some were full-article. And every few months one of my feeds would change location so I'd have go set up the new feed. Sometimes they'd just go dark because their provider had an error and the blog author might not even know. In short, the RSS system had lots of nice properties, but it just wasn't compelling, partially because it was so fragmented. Google will generally make robust infrastructure that exists much longer than most small sites. I'm willing to put some trust in them, though I personally dislike G+.

ChuckMcM 13y ago

I'm sorry you inverted my point. My point was that RSS was created by the community (and Dave Winer :-) and FeedBurner was created by two guys as I recall, its not impossible to make such systems so they will survive. Hence the whining about Google's action is misplaced. BTW, I'll take that bet on Google+ if we can agree on a future date :-) I think Google is in to Google+ for the long haul, killing it will take a long long time.

mapgrep 13y ago
Ah, sorry I misread you! :) I hesitate to put an expiration date on Google+, except relative to RSS. Hmm.

redorb 13y ago

I wouldn't bet against a lot of money (google) shutting down something they have seemed to bet a lot on. I believe Google shutting down Google Reader already means that 'RSS has gone somewhere' or will on July 1.. [edit] I also think Google backing off the shutdown would show a lot of users that it does listen and is willing to continue running a sub-par unit instead of shutting it down.

jacquesm 13y ago
> I wouldn't bet against a lot of money (google) shutting down something they have seemed to bet a lot on. You mean like google wave? Or checkout? Or google buzz? Or any one of a large number of other products / projects that are no longer.
- redorb 13y ago
  I would hope to never disagree with you - a very smart fellow on here. I however believe Google has put multiplies more money and 'skin in the game' when it comes to Google+... examples of what I think are the way they are pushing it so aggressively by integrating it everywhere. Wave was a pretty large launch I'll admit - but it still felt like an experiment - It felt like to me Google has said publicly in many ways 'This is how we are competing with Facebook and we'll stick with it till it works' - pertaining to Google + Google Buzz was lot softer launch and commitment... Checkout is still alive right? *I do miss wave, my friends and I (with office jobs)used it as a chat channel throughout the workday. We have since moved to hall.com - wave still beats hall though...
  - pbhjpbhj 13y ago
    Did you try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wave? >Apache Wave is a software framework for real-time collaborative editing online. Google originally developed it as Google Wave.[1] It was announced at the Google I/O conference on May 27, 2009. [...] >Development was handed over to the Apache Software Foundation which started to develop a server-based product called Wave in a Box.