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If you eat factory farmed meat, eggs, or dairy, you are almost guaranteed to be supporting animal cruelty. There are many fantastic books and documentaries det

by lprubin 14y ago

If you eat factory farmed meat, eggs, or dairy, you are almost guaranteed to be supporting animal cruelty. There are many fantastic books and documentaries detailing the horrors and dangers of factory farming and I've linked to a few below. This is an open secret. I would be willing to bet that almost anybody here, once they've looked deeply into factory farming, would come out the other side and look at factory farmed animal products in a completely new light. Do you truly want to stop farm animal cruelty? Investigate this industry and consider no longer buying factory farmed animal products. http://www.amazon.com/Food-Inc-Participant-Industrial-Poorer-/dp/1586486942/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365429391&sr=1-1&keywords=food+inc http://www.amazon.com/Food-Inc-Participant-Industrial-Poorer... http://www.amazon.com/Eating-Animals-Jonathan-Safran-Foer/dp/0316069884 http://www.amazon.com/Eating-Animals-Jonathan-Safran-Foer/dp...

sophistroll 14y ago
For many, the concept "boycott meat" is even more ridiculous than the concept "animal rights". We have a very long way to go.
- lprubin 14y ago
  Certainly, but I said nothing about boycotting meat. I said boycott factory farmed meat. Meat can be done "humanely." Seek it out and support it if you wish but it is not to be found in factory farms. Vote with your wallet.
  - sophistroll 14y ago
    I am doing this. It is difficult. And it makes restaurants suck. And let's be real, SF, Portland, etc might one day reach 50% humane meat... maybe. What's the plan for telling the "average" American that a dozen eggs cost $12? And some of them are weird colors?
    - ndespres 14y ago
      My farm-fresh dozens cost $6 in the greater NYC area. I'm only in my first year of farming as a startup but I'm finding that it is profitable and enjoyable to serve fresh, local food to people without gouging them for it.
    - lprubin 14y ago
      It's going to be a difficult challenge. But I think this bill proves how terrified the Meat Industry is of people finding out what it's really like inside of a factory farm. So many people truly think that their meat and eggs comes from local farmer Bob who loves his chickens and the farm has been in his family for 100 years. The reason for that is that that is how it really was for centuries. People think that now the big companies just buy it from the local farmer and serve as middle man. Only in the last 30 - 40 years has it changed over to being 99% big aggro (at least in US). Big Farm definitely thinks the word getting out will hurt their profits so I think fighting this bill and getting the word out is the first step. I'm all ears for other ideas.
eltondegeneres 14y ago
There is no such thing as humane meat, eggs, or dairy, even in the absence of factory farming. Dairy requires that cows be forcibly inseminated, male chicks are ground alive in hatcheries, and it is impossible to produce meat without killing an animal. "Humane" meat is just a way for the wealthy to absolve themselves of complicity in killing for taste and convenience by paying a premium for something that is anything but humane.
- ndespres 14y ago
  You're wrong about this. -dairy animals can be chosen based on their long-term milk production (my goats haven't been bred in 2+ years and are still giving more milk than I know what to do with, and when they are finally bred we have other uses for males around the farm). -I hatch my own chicks and the males are not ground alive (or tossed in trash, or euthanized, or whatever). My chickens get as much love as my dogs do. -Of course it's impossible to produce meat without killing an animal, but it is very much possible to produce meat while caring about the animal immensely and ensuring its quality of life is never compromised (save for the last instant). It is the hardest thing in the world- and it should be. Raising my own animals for meat has changed the way I consume other meat (or rather, the way i DON'T consume other meat) unless I'm sure it has been handled, beginning to end, with the same care and concern that I give my animals. Humane meat is possible without being elitist, expensive, and inhumane, and I take personally your accusation that there's any convenience in it. Attitudes like yours are just one more factor that a small farmer has to deal with in this uphill battle against backwards attitudes towards meat raising and I'd appreciate it if you'd cool it on the propaganda!
  - eltondegeneres 14y ago
    How did your goats initially start lactating? They must have been pregnant at some point and I'm assuming that they were artificially inseminated. I'm also assuming that your male chicks are eventually killed and do not die of old age. Unless you kill and eat your dogs I don't think you can consider the chicks you raise to be pets. Taking an animal's life because you like the taste of their flesh could never be considered caring or kind. I don't think that my opinion is part of a backwards attitude or propaganda. You and I just have different values.

by lprubin 14y ago

sophistroll 14y ago

For many, the concept "boycott meat" is even more ridiculous than the concept "animal rights". We have a very long way to go.

lprubin 14y ago
Certainly, but I said nothing about boycotting meat. I said boycott factory farmed meat. Meat can be done "humanely." Seek it out and support it if you wish but it is not to be found in factory farms. Vote with your wallet.
- sophistroll 14y ago
  I am doing this. It is difficult. And it makes restaurants suck. And let's be real, SF, Portland, etc might one day reach 50% humane meat... maybe. What's the plan for telling the "average" American that a dozen eggs cost $12? And some of them are weird colors?
  - ndespres 14y ago
    My farm-fresh dozens cost $6 in the greater NYC area. I'm only in my first year of farming as a startup but I'm finding that it is profitable and enjoyable to serve fresh, local food to people without gouging them for it.
  - lprubin 14y ago
    It's going to be a difficult challenge. But I think this bill proves how terrified the Meat Industry is of people finding out what it's really like inside of a factory farm. So many people truly think that their meat and eggs comes from local farmer Bob who loves his chickens and the farm has been in his family for 100 years. The reason for that is that that is how it really was for centuries. People think that now the big companies just buy it from the local farmer and serve as middle man. Only in the last 30 - 40 years has it changed over to being 99% big aggro (at least in US). Big Farm definitely thinks the word getting out will hurt their profits so I think fighting this bill and getting the word out is the first step. I'm all ears for other ideas.

eltondegeneres 14y ago

There is no such thing as humane meat, eggs, or dairy, even in the absence of factory farming. Dairy requires that cows be forcibly inseminated, male chicks are ground alive in hatcheries, and it is impossible to produce meat without killing an animal. "Humane" meat is just a way for the wealthy to absolve themselves of complicity in killing for taste and convenience by paying a premium for something that is anything but humane.

ndespres 14y ago
You're wrong about this. -dairy animals can be chosen based on their long-term milk production (my goats haven't been bred in 2+ years and are still giving more milk than I know what to do with, and when they are finally bred we have other uses for males around the farm). -I hatch my own chicks and the males are not ground alive (or tossed in trash, or euthanized, or whatever). My chickens get as much love as my dogs do. -Of course it's impossible to produce meat without killing an animal, but it is very much possible to produce meat while caring about the animal immensely and ensuring its quality of life is never compromised (save for the last instant). It is the hardest thing in the world- and it should be. Raising my own animals for meat has changed the way I consume other meat (or rather, the way i DON'T consume other meat) unless I'm sure it has been handled, beginning to end, with the same care and concern that I give my animals. Humane meat is possible without being elitist, expensive, and inhumane, and I take personally your accusation that there's any convenience in it. Attitudes like yours are just one more factor that a small farmer has to deal with in this uphill battle against backwards attitudes towards meat raising and I'd appreciate it if you'd cool it on the propaganda!
- eltondegeneres 14y ago
  How did your goats initially start lactating? They must have been pregnant at some point and I'm assuming that they were artificially inseminated. I'm also assuming that your male chicks are eventually killed and do not die of old age. Unless you kill and eat your dogs I don't think you can consider the chicks you raise to be pets. Taking an animal's life because you like the taste of their flesh could never be considered caring or kind. I don't think that my opinion is part of a backwards attitude or propaganda. You and I just have different values.