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China doesn't want war. Period. I don't think you realize how many affluent Chinese tourists there are in Seoul. The moment China lets North Korea cross the DMZ

China doesn't want war. Period. I don't think you realize how many affluent Chinese tourists there are in Seoul. The moment China lets North Korea cross the DMZ is the moment China invades North Korea themselves and installs some new puppet regime. I don't think you understand what kind of uproar would occur in China should any Chinese casualties occur because of North Korea's antics.

seanmcdirmid 14y ago
> I don't think you realize how many affluent Chinese tourists there are in Seoul. The PRC government could give a shit about a few tourists. Its more about the trade relations they have with the ROK (and PSY is really popular here). > The moment China lets North Korea cross the DMZ is the moment China invades North Korea themselves and installs some new puppet regime. Reread my post, this is exactly what I said. If you didn't know, the Yalu river forms the border between Liaoning and DPRK. > I don't think you understand what kind of uproar would occur in China should any Chinese casualties occur because of North Korea's antics. Now that is a weird statement to make. First of all, they are more concerned with trade relations, think of all the PRC citizens that will starve to death if the export factories have to close down because the PRC is in it bad with the US?
- kapnobatairza 14y ago
  You are incorrect that "they could [sic] give a shit" (you probably meant couldn't) about wealthy Chinese citizens. With affluence comes influence. Maybe if we were talking about factory labourers they would not care, but when a country's wealthiest citizens are in mortal peril you can bet your ass there will a swift response. You are correct that trade relations are key here, and I omitted this 800 pound gorilla. Thank you for the addition.
  - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
    When its war, they aren't going to sacrifice any intelligence/surprise advantage to preserve a few tourists, that is true for either side (PRC, ROK, DPRK, USA). It doesn't matter who these citizens are actually, and its probably not the "country's wealthiest citizens," those are either safely at home or in Hong Kong. We are talking just about a few rich business men at most.
    - kapnobatairza 14y ago
      The situation is not so delicate that China would be able to brush off these deaths for strategic reasons. I'm not even sure what you think a strategic reason for China biding it's time would be. A vague reference to intelligence/surprise attack doesn't really mean anything. A rapid response from the north is an automatic loss for North Korea, there will be no waiting.
      - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
        There would be no wait actually. If DPRK warned the PRC that they were really going to attack, the PRC would just invade DPRK immediately, they might warn their tourists but this is only a secondary thought.

seanmcdirmid 14y ago

> I don't think you realize how many affluent Chinese tourists there are in Seoul. The PRC government could give a shit about a few tourists. Its more about the trade relations they have with the ROK (and PSY is really popular here). > The moment China lets North Korea cross the DMZ is the moment China invades North Korea themselves and installs some new puppet regime. Reread my post, this is exactly what I said. If you didn't know, the Yalu river forms the border between Liaoning and DPRK. > I don't think you understand what kind of uproar would occur in China should any Chinese casualties occur because of North Korea's antics. Now that is a weird statement to make. First of all, they are more concerned with trade relations, think of all the PRC citizens that will starve to death if the export factories have to close down because the PRC is in it bad with the US?

kapnobatairza 14y ago
You are incorrect that "they could [sic] give a shit" (you probably meant couldn't) about wealthy Chinese citizens. With affluence comes influence. Maybe if we were talking about factory labourers they would not care, but when a country's wealthiest citizens are in mortal peril you can bet your ass there will a swift response. You are correct that trade relations are key here, and I omitted this 800 pound gorilla. Thank you for the addition.
- seanmcdirmid 14y ago
  When its war, they aren't going to sacrifice any intelligence/surprise advantage to preserve a few tourists, that is true for either side (PRC, ROK, DPRK, USA). It doesn't matter who these citizens are actually, and its probably not the "country's wealthiest citizens," those are either safely at home or in Hong Kong. We are talking just about a few rich business men at most.
  - kapnobatairza 14y ago
    The situation is not so delicate that China would be able to brush off these deaths for strategic reasons. I'm not even sure what you think a strategic reason for China biding it's time would be. A vague reference to intelligence/surprise attack doesn't really mean anything. A rapid response from the north is an automatic loss for North Korea, there will be no waiting.
    - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
      There would be no wait actually. If DPRK warned the PRC that they were really going to attack, the PRC would just invade DPRK immediately, they might warn their tourists but this is only a secondary thought.