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It's more disheartening that this is what the police are spending their time doing. There seriously isn't anything more important they could be working on?

caycep 14y ago
Arresting MIT students who wear DIY circuit boards, or download PDF's from JSTOR apparently
Domenic_S 14y ago
If you've ever tried to go to sleep and had loud neighbors you might feel differently...
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- myke_cameron 14y ago
  Its one thing for neighbors to complain about loud and obnoxious people around them. Its a whole other thing for the police to preemptively break up shows. Some of the house spots that have been shut down in the past 6 months have been operating without complaint from neighbors for years. Beyond that, the crackdown has been felt the most in the shutting down of art and show spaces in Allston warehouses which are zoned appropriately. Granted, the proprietors of these spots don't bother with permits from the city / following fire code, and often encourage or engage in illegal activity beyond simply hosting loud music, but these venues are definitely NOT disturbing neighbors (the neighbors in this case are generally rehearsal spaces for punk bands and other similar performance spaces).
  - stcredzero 14y ago
    > Granted, the proprietors of these spots don't bother with permits from the city / following fire code The fire code is no joke. People used to die in batches of hundreds all of the time before those laws and reforms were put in place.
derleth 14y ago
> It's more disheartening that this is what the police are spending their time doing. There seriously isn't anything more important they could be working on? You can use the same argument when you see a police officer working burglary instead of homicide, or homicide instead of rape, or vice-versa. The police, like the military, is a tool used to implement the policy of others; in this case, the policy is chosen by the jurisdiction's legislature, which is composed of people chosen by that jurisdiction's population. The police can (and should) prioritize which policy they implement most avidly, but if some things are going entirely undone that's something that needs to be handled at the legislative level, possibly by repealing or modifying the laws the police are charged with implementing.
lmm 14y ago
Isn't that a good thing? If crime has fallen far enough that this relatively minor antisocial behaviour now stands out, isn't that a success?
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  Remember when the banks fucked up, and you were forced to pay for it? Where were the cops then? Spraying pepper gas into the faces of young protesters, that's where. And then there's the wars. Big, heavy duty crime hasn't "fallen" by any means, it's soaring from peak to peak more like.

caycep 14y ago

Arresting MIT students who wear DIY circuit boards, or download PDF's from JSTOR apparently

Domenic_S 14y ago

If you've ever tried to go to sleep and had loud neighbors you might feel differently...

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myke_cameron 14y ago
Its one thing for neighbors to complain about loud and obnoxious people around them. Its a whole other thing for the police to preemptively break up shows. Some of the house spots that have been shut down in the past 6 months have been operating without complaint from neighbors for years. Beyond that, the crackdown has been felt the most in the shutting down of art and show spaces in Allston warehouses which are zoned appropriately. Granted, the proprietors of these spots don't bother with permits from the city / following fire code, and often encourage or engage in illegal activity beyond simply hosting loud music, but these venues are definitely NOT disturbing neighbors (the neighbors in this case are generally rehearsal spaces for punk bands and other similar performance spaces).
- stcredzero 14y ago
  > Granted, the proprietors of these spots don't bother with permits from the city / following fire code The fire code is no joke. People used to die in batches of hundreds all of the time before those laws and reforms were put in place.

derleth 14y ago

> It's more disheartening that this is what the police are spending their time doing. There seriously isn't anything more important they could be working on? You can use the same argument when you see a police officer working burglary instead of homicide, or homicide instead of rape, or vice-versa. The police, like the military, is a tool used to implement the policy of others; in this case, the policy is chosen by the jurisdiction's legislature, which is composed of people chosen by that jurisdiction's population. The police can (and should) prioritize which policy they implement most avidly, but if some things are going entirely undone that's something that needs to be handled at the legislative level, possibly by repealing or modifying the laws the police are charged with implementing.

lmm 14y ago

Isn't that a good thing? If crime has fallen far enough that this relatively minor antisocial behaviour now stands out, isn't that a success?

PavlovsCat 14y ago
Remember when the banks fucked up, and you were forced to pay for it? Where were the cops then? Spraying pepper gas into the faces of young protesters, that's where. And then there's the wars. Big, heavy duty crime hasn't "fallen" by any means, it's soaring from peak to peak more like.