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The power of the RSS reader

336 points by mh_ 14y ago

math0ne 14y ago
Well stated, exactly what i use rss for, following a lot of infrequently updated sites.
joebadmo 14y ago
Personally, I have different labels. I have a high volume label that I nuke with impunity, then another label with low volume feeds that I treat more like Marco describes in tfa. This lets me keep up with all of those low volume feeds, but also skim the daily news when I have time. I also prune my feeds pretty aggressively. This is probably a much fiddlier setup than most people will want, but really so is any RSS reader.
- sbarre 14y ago
  Yeah he lost me when he started saying that I'm doing it wrong just because I subscribe to high-volume feeds.. Years ago I came across someone's excellent strategy for organizing Google Reader under two top-level groups: * Must Read * Can Miss Under those 2 labels I have other classifications, but those are the two main groups that all my feeds fall under. The low-volume or high-importance feeds go into "Must Read" and the rest goes into "Can Miss".. Can Miss is for skimming, for catching up on the last few days of high-volume feeds or just for finding something to read through when I'm bored.. I regularly hit "Mark all as Read" on the "Can Miss" group, and I don't feel bad about it for a second, nor do I feel like I am somehow using RSS incorrectly. But the "Must Read" label contains feeds that I really want to make sure I read all of, or don't miss anything from.. Like infrequently updated blogs, security update RSS feeds, some serial web comics or web shorts, etc.. In the last several years I don't think I've even once hit "Mark all as Read" in that label. So while I agree that if your current approach to RSS is leading you to ignore most of what ends up in your reader, you might need a different approach, but that approach doesn't have to be "don't use RSS".
  - shurcooL 14y ago
    Yep, pretty much this for me too. http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1528/imageiq.png http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1528/imageiq.png I read all the things in the "Interesting" label, they get one new item once every few days at most. In the mass news section, I keep up to date with the first site but all others I only check up infrequently (hence they regularly get to 1000+ and I don't mind, that's normal). And the Occasional label is kinda in between, but in reality I don't really read anything there anymore.
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    I use Digg as my Can Miss folder. It's a surprisingly good filter for the day's news.
- TillE 14y ago
  That's how I used to use Reader. One "Important" folder for stuff that I was very likely to read, and another for skimming. It's a common complaint about Twitter that once you start following a few people who produce high volumes of crap, it becomes useless. The usual advice is to be quick to unfollow, but I've always missed a "must read" feature for Twitter, to specially mark those few people where you really do want to see every single tweet.
  - rst 14y ago
    I'm playing with a couple of strategies: creating a list, and then viewing tweets on the list (which show up jumbled when the list is first created, but seem in order thereafter), and just having multiple accounts...
  - shrikant 14y ago
    I like the "volume dial" on G+ Circles. Just wish it would let me filter circle posts by media type (i.e. block all images and videos, but show all text and link posts). I'm sure it can be done, as they just implemented this feature for Google+ searches.
  - runjake 14y ago
    This is what Twitter's Lists functionality is for. I have separate lists of people for topics I am interested in, such as running, android, infosec, etc. The downside is that people on your lists don't enjoy the same capabilities as the people you follow, so they can't DM and they might be insulted that you show as not following them.
- Semaphor 14y ago
  Yep. I read about 10% of Techdirt and Android Police but those 10% are usually things I'm really interested in so deleting them is not an option. So I usually just skip the headlines and open up whatever sounds interesting.
- jdechko 14y ago
  I also had a 2 folder system, but subscribe to so few feeds that going away for a weekend only leaves me with a few hundred unread articles. Since many sites overlap in terms of content, I don't even always need to read every article anyway.
eridius 14y ago
mathOne, all your comments seem to be [dead].
jcurbo 14y ago
This exactly matches my use case for RSS. High volume daily websites - like HN - I read directly. I went through a phase where I tried to read HN via RSS (in Google Reader) and for me it wasn't better than just hitting HN directly. But for the kind of sites Marco mentions (which I read most of, actually) that update on a semi-daily or weekly basis, RSS readers are perfect because I don't want to go and visit those pages individually just to see they don't have any updates. Typically those sites are narrowly-focused personal/organizational blogs in areas I am interested in.
- jrkelly 14y ago
  Could not agree more, this is the exact use case for the 'power users' of RSS. And he is right that without RSS I don't know how these low-posting-frequency sites would keep their readership. If I had to give up one, I'd give up twitter or hackernews long before that low-frequency RSS feed. Those posts are gold and for niche subjects (I'm into bio) there is no where else they are aggregated.
  - epsylon 14y ago
    Tech, video games, etc.. journalists have a very different use case for RSS, which is exactly using it to monitor dozens of other information sources (including their competitors). I think they match the definition of power users, perhaps more than you and I, because that's the primary tool for their job : they will routinely have hundreds of RSS feeds and will skim quickly through thousands of items a day to look for the information that they haven't treated yet. RSS is perfect for that matter and it is precisely the opposite of what marco and you claim is a poor usage of RSS.
- dankoss 14y ago
  Exactly. Most of the blogs I read are updated once a week or even once a month, but they have great content I don't want to miss. RSS allows me to not have those sites in my bookmarks but always get their latest content. I've also used it for Craigslist searches and store updates when items go on sale, which are infrequent enough that I would miss them unless I checked every day. I would like to use RSS to grab frequently updated tech news, but in a separate bucket that doesn't count as "unread". I'd rather strip out the site design and just focus on the content. That's what news is, right?
mh- 14y ago
I was very confused to see that I posted this article.
- dasil003 14y ago
  Hacking might be difficult if you confuse dashes with underscores.
monsur 14y ago
This is precisely why I like Fever as an RSS reader. Fever lets you separate feeds into low-volume kindling and high-volume sparks. Kindling are the feeds you want to keep up with regularly, while items that are mentioned across Sparks bubble up to the top (Its like having your own personal Hacker News).
- icebraining 14y ago
  Well, I'd say any reader with some kind of categorization support (tags, folders, etc) lets you do that. I have folders in Tiny Tiny RSS that never accumulate more than a couple of unread items, and I have a folder with 22000 unread items, it works just fine.
gtCameron 14y ago
Ironically, I use IFTTT to read the RSS and push sites like what he is describing into Instapaper. You lose the by-site organization of it, but if you don't overdo it you end up with a nice small selection of things to read every day when you fire up Instapaper.
davebindy 14y ago
I tend to add feeds only when the site doesn't generate either a significant number of comments or comments that are actually worth reading. Sites like HN I'm often as (or more) interested in the comments as in the actual article, so I'll just visit the site for that reason instead of using RSS.
Spellman 14y ago
I personally started using an RSS Reader to keep track of webcomics. Especially ones that update infrequently. Now they're all in one handy place and I never miss a panel.
gz5 14y ago
Like many of the points but not following the conclusions because Google Reader doesn't aid long tail discovery...was just best place to subscribe post-discovery. If the need for RSS reader remains, then others will simply fill the GR niche?
curtin 14y ago
I use to mess with rss and agree with Marco on the purpose of them. Then I found a better solution, just subscribe to some of the awesome curated newsletters out there that do all this for you. HN has one - http://hackernewsletter.com http://hackernewsletter.com and Peter Cooper's tech focused ones (https://cooperpress.com/ https://cooperpress.com/) keep you in the loop in a particular stack, plus a lot of others that I've seen. Now I don't have to check anything these days, except my email, which of course I check everyday anyhow!
- ruswick 14y ago
  That may be fine for some, but newsletters are inherently limited by the amount of space they are willing to provide to links, and by their domain, because most letters are topic-specific. While newsletters can support maybe 20 links per week, RSS is adept at handling hundreds if not thousands. Moreover, one of the great benefits of RSS is that it is customizable and one's reading experience pertains specifically and only to them. With newsletters, one is throwing their reading experience to the mercy of the newsletter editor. This is not to say that newsletters aren't valuable. Their spontaneity and conciseness provides a great reading experience. (Although, I think Twitter is superior at this type of thing anyway.) But, given the idiosyncrasies of newsletters, I just don't believe that they are tenable alternatives to RSS. Those who want to read a lot of content from an eclectic array of specific sources still need something like RSS.
  - petercooper 14y ago
    If you want to specifically choose your sources, I think you're right. If you're happy with a 'best of' on a topic by topic basis, newsletters can/do work. With newsletters, one is throwing their reading experience to the mercy of the newsletter editor. This is part of the appeal for many non-power readers. The majority are not particularly interested in curating or even controlling their sources and are happy to outsource it to either trusted editors (see almost the entire print media or something like Techmeme) or the "cloud" (e.g. Reddit or Hacker News).
- nickm12 14y ago
  How do the newsletter curators find interesting long-tail links?
lakofsth 14y ago
For the same reason that I have 14000 messages in my inbox (half unread), this is bunk. Who cares if you can't read everything? OCD much.
bsimpson 14y ago
I never got into RSS readers, but I use Hacker News and Reddit for the purposes Marco is describing. I have Pulse on my phone set up to follow a handful of RSS feeds (Hacker News, The Verge, Daring Fireball, Ars Technica, etc.) so I have an easy way to see what's happening if I have a couple minutes to kill throughout my day.
- k3n 14y ago
  I think Pulse could be tagged as an RSS reader, though not having used it I can't say for sure. But if it lets you setup feeds to follow...
- ldh 14y ago
  I think you're missing what he says. Hacker News and Reddit are completely perpendicular use cases to RSS. From the article: The true power of the RSS inbox is keeping you informed of new posts that you probably won’t see linked elsewhere. I feel like I've been shouting this into the void over the last few days of RSS-related submissions, but RSS is not best suited as a news-discovery paradigm. Aggregators like HN or Reddit serve that purpose. RSS's sweet spot is tracking deeper content on niche sites or topics that don't get swept up in hype mills, and if you're interested in more than two or three blogs or sites like that, RSS is essentially the way to track that content. Being able to share that and discuss with a select group of people was icing on the cake that Google Reader added. Without seeming overly defensive about it, I feel like everyone who dismisses RSS lately with "that's what HN is for" has never used RSS in the way that many of us find indispensable.
  - bsimpson 14y ago
    But if there's an interesting article on marco.org, someone who reads that will post it to /r/programming, and I'll get to read it without having to find and follow the author.
    - mkr-hn 14y ago
      I didn't know marco.org had anything to do with programming. I added it to Feedly when someone linked a good article on it. I don't care for programming, so I wouldn't have /r/programming/ in my subscriptions. Different people internet differently
roc 14y ago
The creator of Instapaper doesn't see the value-add of using an RSS reader to skim the postings of a high-volume site, for readability/usability reasons? That's a curious blind-spot.
- itafroma 14y ago
  He didn't say anything to that effect at all. The only things that come close to that characterization are: 1. "If a site posts many items each day and you barely read any of them, delete that feed." (emphasis mine) If you're skimming all the items in a feed and deriving value from it, this piece of advice doesn't apply. 2. "RSS works best when following a large number of infrequently updated sites." Works best, not only works. 3. "It’s not enough to interleave their posts into a “river” or “stream” paradigm [...] because many of them would get buried in the noise of higher-volume feeds and people’s tweets." It's not enough, not that it's categorically not valuable. The whole article dovetails nicely with Instapaper's purpose, which is to ensure you don't miss reading articles you find important. Relying solely on a river of news that's filled with high volume sources leads to a high chance of missing stuff you otherwise want to keep close tabs on. Pretty uncontroversial stuff.
  - roc 14y ago
    > "You shouldn’t come back to hundreds or thousands of unread articles." ... "you shouldn’t subscribe to feeds that would generate that kind of unread volume." ... "you’re using it in a way that’s not good for you." These sorts of prescriptive statements don't read as "I see the value others may derive from other use cases." They explicitly read as "I don't see the value" and "I've looked and I don't think it exists." Further, using an RSS reader to skim a frequently-updated site, of which I read only a few articles, is precisely the point. High quantities of postings exacerbates the flaws of their designs. But with RSS, it's easy to skim pages of headlines. After a long weekend I can deal with hundreds of unread articles precisely because I'm interested in so little. If there were aggregating services that delivered what I was looking for, I'd certainly prefer that. But I haven't found them.
BenoitEssiambre 14y ago
Exactly! Also the fact that rss enables this kind high quality, narrow domain, low volumes posting makes the web way better. I don't want to read professional writers who have to write their quota whether there is good material to write about or not on that day. They too often focus on gossip and sensationalism. Although I might be entertained briefly, in the end I will not have gained much from reading this type of articles and it's a waste of my time. I want to read the authors who mostly spends their time doing things in their domain of expertise and get out of their lab/office/cave once in a while to write a post on something they feel is interesting and worth sharing. Because they are not frequent writers the prose might be dryer but the facts, ideas and insights are usually much better than what you get from those who's main job is writing. I love insights that comes directly from an expert's keyboard. They are pearls of wisdom and it would be sad to lose them because of a decline in support for RSS.
- BenoitEssiambre 14y ago
  Writing this made me realize that the closing of G Reader might be a huge opportunity for Tumblr. Tumblr already has RSS features on the publishing side which means they don't lock in their users content in their platform. Imagine if facebook would allow their users's public posts to be viewable in g+. That's what Tumblr does. Having RSS publishing is a good first step for an open and interoperable social platform. Add to that the ability to see all unread posts from a group of subscriptions and the ability to subscribe to outside rss feeds within Tumblr and you got yourself a very good social network/feed reader/blogging platform. Maybe the kids are on to something. I wonder if there is a business model for a social network that keeps posts in the open and encourages consumptions from outside platforms through rss.
  - johnchristopher 14y ago
    > Imagine if facebook would allow their users's public posts to be viewable in g+. That's what Tumblr does. I may have missed something but I haven't seen some tumblr post posted on G+ via RSS (yet). > Having RSS publishing is a good first step for an open and interoperable social platform. Add to that the ability to see all unread posts from a group of subscriptions and the ability to subscribe to outside rss feeds within Tumblr and you got yourself a very good social network/feed reader/blogging platform. A good first step but they (facebook, twitter) all ended up removing it. > Maybe the kids are on to something. More like the parents (read: youngsters from the 2000) were on to something. I had high hopes for RSS and even higher for ATOM (I ended up writing my own flat-file blog system that only used ATOM documents as storage, I really liked it with the full xslt mumbo jumbo but in the end it's xml and that was it). >I wonder if there is a business model for a social network that keeps posts in the open and encourages consumptions from outside platforms through rss. Some tried to monetize RSS by adding ads in the feeds but that didn't take off. Reading a site's content only in the rss feed cuts off its authors from any kind of revenues (worse if the online reader displays its own add along the feeds). I presented a project when I was a student. It consisted of a website that offered any registered user to transform the RSS/ATOM feeds they would have supplied into a mini updated WAP-enabled website for browsing the feeds on those old nokia of the 2000s. It was nice and all but when one of my advisors asked me "how would you turn it into something profitable or how would you bring it to the market?" all I could say was "this would never work because nobody with profits on his mind is promoting webfeeds". I though the news-publishing industry would use RSS as a kind of copy-pasta medium but it doesn't look like things are going this way (at least not on the public side of things). RSS (and ATOM because "i want to believe") isn't dead but I am not convinced it's going to make a come-back on any for-profit social network.
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caycep 14y ago
sorta wish this was the start of the "negative killfile" in the William Gibson Idoru trilogy. Because, you know, 3D cyberspace Walled City and stuff.
caycep 14y ago
Also, it occurs to me, I use Instapaper to deal with this issue in RSS...hmm...
Too 14y ago
Just disable read status in your rss-client and the problem is solved. For low frequency sites that you care about you most likely remember their latest headlines anyway. For high frequency sites just watch the headlines roll by, if you happen to be interested in one then click it, otherwise just ignore.
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wcgortel 14y ago
This is a very interesting use case, particularly in investment analysis, my area of specialty. The problem of obscure, rarely updated blogs with fantastic information (but no reader base) is plainly evident here. I can think of a blogger who is a fixture on "who's who" lists, but publishes a blog so ill-trafficked you can hear the crickets chirping. There are hundreds of these guys. I'm at work on a finance-specific version of this. Hopefully we can announce something before the readerpocalypse.
webwanderings 14y ago
The rss2email script apparently works like a charm but it isn't suitable for large number of feed subscription. This is where Google Reader came in handy because I didn't have to care how long it takes to grab however many feeds I have under my account. Ultimately, all RSS feed readers (old and new) are going to be suffering from this issue of retrieving large number of feeds.
charlieok 14y ago
The feature I want on RSS readers: Volume sliders. A volume slider per feed, and perhaps also a global one. If a feed is posting too much stuff, but I still like some of the stuff on it, I'd prefer not to unsubscribe if I had a better option. If I notice a feed getting a bit noisy, I'd like to open a view for that feed, with titles and timestamps. Then I'd just move a slider and watch stuff drop out, until I've turned it down to a volume I can handle. Hopefully, the lower-signal items will drop out of view first and the higher-signal items last. The more data available for making these rankings, the better. Comment counts or scores from the hosting site should help. So should links/shares/likes/comments across the major social networks.
- tristan_juricek 14y ago
  Right, the problem is just that "unread counts" aren't that nice of a feature for RSS feeds, because not all posts are created equal. (Hell, it's not even that nice of a feature on email, unless you do a lot of filtering.) I like the volume slider ideal; I that you could leverage social media outlets as a scoring system. (I'd include HN in that - the more points, the higher the score.) That could give you a nice way to "bump up" the things past some "volume" you haven't seen in priority. I don't like the idea of "just don't subscribe"; why can't the tool figure this out for me? Edit: "aren't nice" -> "aren't that nice". I do think counts are useful, just far, far from perfect. What I find myself dong is finding a feed with unread items, skimming, then marking all as read. (Well, when I use Reader, sigh.)
  - charlieok 14y ago
    I personally don't mind unread counts. That aspect really depends on the way you use it. I used to have a ton of unread items sitting in the feed reader; now everything is either immediately discarded or immediately shunted into Pocket. (A good phone interface for me might be: swipe left = discard, swipe right = send to view-later service of choice and discard. Fast!) Of course, that means I now have a ton of unread stuff sitting in Pocket. So I think services in that category could benefit from this kind of scoring too. I can see my Pocket stuff in reverse chronological order. I'd love a really intelligent, adaptive “sort by magic” for that big bucket. You suggested using HN as a source. That's absolutely along the lines I'm thinking. It's like this: every site can be a source of stories, but every site should also be a potential source of scoring signals for stories -- either its own or elsewhere.
mcculley 14y ago
I think advising people to delete feeds misses a possible feature that I wish was available in the feed readers I've tried: I would like to mark each feed/URL to tell the feed reader if it is a feed in which I care about seeing every new item. The "number unread" cue/badge should only count the important feeds and not ones where I just want to see the latest content if I have free time.
gnosis 14y ago
I've read HN over RSS for years. It's perfect for that. Firefox isn't very well suited for keeping up with blogs and news sites like HN because it's so damn bloated and slow, and you can't really save any articles for later reading without upvoting, opening them in a new tab, or bookmarking them. Bookmarks in Firefox are a total pain in the ass, so I try to avoid them as much as possible. I already have more than enough tabs open, and don't want to waste more keeping some possibly interesting article waiting for me. In my RSS reader (Newsbeuter[1]), all I have to do to save an article for later reading is not delete it. It will remain marked as new and I can read it later, at my leisure. If I go for some days (or weeks) without reading HN at all, I can come back whenever I have time and still have all the articles waiting for me, instead of using HN's shitty time-limited "more.." prompt to painfully page through old articles. Some years back, there were even a couple of "HN Full Feed" RSS feeds that would show the entire linked article in each RSS item, so I could read it in my RSS reader instead of having to click through to some crappily designed website and get pissed off at how long Firefox took to load it. RSS is really one of the very best ways to read virtually any blog or news site, whether there are a ton of new items per day (like HN), or whether it's some little blog that's updated once every few years, or anywhere in between. [1] - http://www.newsbeuter.org/index.html http://www.newsbeuter.org/index.html
- pseut 14y ago
  Newsbeuter is awesome for text heavy feeds, but less so for (say) photoblogs. I'd really like to see more development of different types of specialized rss readers and get away from the OP's argument that there's a "right way" to use rss.
- setrofim_ 14y ago
  > and you can't really save any articles for later reading without upvoting check out http://www.readability.com/addons http://www.readability.com/addons
pauljonas 14y ago
Everybody thinks everyone uses or should use the internet the same way they do. I couldn't disagree with this post more. I subscribe to a lot of sites that accumulate thousands of unread items. In fact, I could care less about read/unread toggle. My RSS is indeed a river, but it's a river that sometimes I plunge wholeheartedly into and devour large chunks, other times I merely skim for items of interest. Then there are spots in which most is completely ignored. But it's still there and given the magic of SEARCH, I can pull up all the articles for a topic of interest, confining my query to just those sites I have pre-declared an interest in. So I like the mailbox metaphor for being able to quickly traverse items and skim item summaries, so the real payoff for me is not just the increased efficiency in reviewing so much more than could be done by visiting each site (or even in a magazine/mosaic format) but also a repository ready to serve up information for any topic that I wish to browse upon in a future moment.
edavis 14y ago
Both high and low volume feeds have their use. You just have to know how to manage them. I use River2 for my high volume feeds while I stick my rarely updated and "must read" feeds into NetNewsWire. Has been working pretty well for me so far. When using NetNewsWire, I'm in "slow down mode" where just about every item (in theory) is important to me. But when I'm using River2, I'm in "scan and click mode" and just trying to see what the latest news is. Using separate applications like this helps keep me "in the zone." If I were to put high volume feeds in NetNewsWire the temptation to read all the posted items would be too great. In River2, items older than three hours just drop off the page. There's no "unread count" or "read older items" button to tempt you.
Schwolop 14y ago
Surely there's a sorting metric that could solve this? Something like score = k_1/age_of_post * k_2/frequency_of_posts with appropriate k-weights. Personally, my Google Reader has a folder for 'rarely updated', which I usually check first. Then I have the 'All Items' sorted by magic and skim the first few pages or so for things that strike me as interesting. Then I mark all as read.
erikpukinskis 14y ago
The "tyranny of the loudest" is a problem I wish more reader software addressed. If someone tweets 100 times a day, just show me the one that was retweeted 10 times. If someone tweets once a month I want to see every one. Maybe give the option to accordion out a "100 tweets hidden" link.
notaddicted 14y ago
Something else that Marco didn't dwell on is the diversity of stuff that you can basically just plug into your rss reader if you want notification. A website may choose to use it to publish anything they wish. Misc. examples: 1. Following a user on reddit via rss: http://www.reddit.com/user/PresidentObama/.rss http://www.reddit.com/user/PresidentObama/.rss 2. Following a search term on reddit via rss: http://www.reddit.com/search/.rss?q=manbearpig http://www.reddit.com/search/.rss?q=manbearpig 3. Checking a mailinator throwaway email via rss: http://www.mailinator.com/rss.jsp?email=webmaster http://www.mailinator.com/rss.jsp?email=webmaster 4. Google Alerts (RIP.)
- gurkendoktor 14y ago
  5. Blog comments, especially for threads that go like this: "I also have this problem" (2010), "Me too" (2011), "Me too" (2012), "Ah, here's the solution (2013)
  - chronomex 14y ago
    "Please send me the codes? sandeep_31285@yahoo.co.in" (2012 a, b, c, d)
Spittie 14y ago
I partially agree - I do use RSS to check for sites that publish daily updates (yes, even Hacker News). But even with those, you don't need to overload yourself. Right now I get about ~100 news every day, which is perfectly fine with me. I went away last week, and I was greeted by ~500 news. I was able to skim through those in maybe one hour, so it was fine. Everytime I feel that my feed reader is overloaded, I write down every site that I follow, and decide about which sites I really care, and which sites i can easily unsubscribe without problems. I also try to remove sites that post the same thing (this happen a lot with news sites).
saraid216 14y ago
I wonder how much of a challenge it would be to create an RSS client that provides a direct payment system to content creators. I'm sort of shocked that I can't remember hearing about something like that; the issue was always about getting page views and having a donation link or whatever. They never seemed to consider direct payment of any kind, even though PayPal was definitely around back then. Take a slice en route and you have a business model. ...I feel like I should append this to the top comment so that it gets seen, heh. I'm not interested in doing this. Someone else do it.
stevewilhelm 14y ago
I think RSS is being replaced by Twitter. Many of the RSS feeds I currently consume already cross post to a dedicated Twitter account. If publishers aren't doing this, they should start before Google Reader is shuttered. As a consumer, set up a Twitter account dedicated to reading "long tail" low volume twitter feeds or use a fancy Twitter client like Tweetbot that manages lists.
- taligent 14y ago
  With RSS I often get the entire content or at minimum a decent sized summary with lots of photos. Twitter has none of that.
Sami_Lehtinen 14y ago
You don't need RSS for monitoring sites for infrequent updates. http://www.changedetection.com/ http://www.changedetection.com/ Free and well working solution. I use that to monitor all low traffic sites, which do not provide RSS.
laurent123456 14y ago
> If a site posts many items each day and you barely read any of them, delete that feed. If you find yourself hitting “Mark all as read” more than a couple of times for any feed, delete that feed. You won’t miss anything important. Actually, this could be an interesting feature of an RSS client. If the user keeps marking items of a feed as read, either put the feed in silent mode (no longer shows up in inbox) or lower the relevance of its items so that they go down the list (if the items are sorted by relevance).
Mithaldu 14y ago
So he advocates never subscribing to high frequency feeds because most clients show the contents of all feeds in one big list. I find that is the wrong way to adress the problem. A more useful solution seems to be a different way to structure an rss reader. Opera for example incorporates one that works alongside its email client. It fixes the issue by treating individual feeds as email folders which can be structured inside more folders and highlighting folders with unread contents as well as displaying their content counts. This screenshow should demonstrate usefully how easy this makes it to notice new updates on low-frequency feeds while still allowing skimming of high-frequency ones without one interrupting the other: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10190786/feeds.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10190786/feeds.png
prathibhanu 14y ago
We have been working on developing RSS reader since last 8 months. We felt google reader is not for everyone and we wanted our rss reader to be used by anyone... who may not understand RSS. While implementing the RSS reader, we have learnt a lot and one of them being the power of RSS. I hope what we are building helps a lot of people. Check out http://multiplx.com http://multiplx.com
jasonjayr 14y ago
This is not a new problem -- newsgroups had this problem back in the day. I think the solution now is the same as it was back then -- better scoring/sorting/killfile tools that the end user can control. The death of newsgroups, was also the death of an structured, parseable discussion forum, where the end user had the final say on how they'd see the discussion. Nowadays, we need moderators and the forum software on the server to re-implement these things that newsreaders had worked out. I've setup my own ttrss instance, and it has some basic scoring abilities. Unfortunatly not all rss feeds provide the text of the article (or even the lede) in the feed directly, so the scoring ends up crippled.
josephkern 14y ago
Marco, you might also think of RSS readers like an archived narrow band search for high volume traffic. For example: I am a security researcher, so I susbscribe (via RSS) to everything security related that I can find: mailing lists, bleeding edge snort ruls, CVE, blogs, SANS, etc, etc. Now when I want to see the current state of affairs in Ineternet Explorer security issues, I can simply search for "Internet Explorer" in my RSS reader. I am then presented with the traffic on the latest issues, their possible resolutions, and even possibly the person who discovered the issue. The beauty of RSS is that it lets me decide what it will be, and when I want it to be that way.

336 points by mh_ 14y ago

Well stated, exactly what i use rss for, following a lot of infrequently updated sites.

Personally, I have different labels. I have a high volume label that I nuke with impunity, then another label with low volume feeds that I treat more like Marco describes in tfa. This lets me keep up with all of those low volume feeds, but also skim the daily news when I have time. I also prune my feeds pretty aggressively. This is probably a much fiddlier setup than most people will want, but really so is any RSS reader.

sbarre 14y ago
Yeah he lost me when he started saying that I'm doing it wrong just because I subscribe to high-volume feeds.. Years ago I came across someone's excellent strategy for organizing Google Reader under two top-level groups: * Must Read * Can Miss Under those 2 labels I have other classifications, but those are the two main groups that all my feeds fall under. The low-volume or high-importance feeds go into "Must Read" and the rest goes into "Can Miss".. Can Miss is for skimming, for catching up on the last few days of high-volume feeds or just for finding something to read through when I'm bored.. I regularly hit "Mark all as Read" on the "Can Miss" group, and I don't feel bad about it for a second, nor do I feel like I am somehow using RSS incorrectly. But the "Must Read" label contains feeds that I really want to make sure I read all of, or don't miss anything from.. Like infrequently updated blogs, security update RSS feeds, some serial web comics or web shorts, etc.. In the last several years I don't think I've even once hit "Mark all as Read" in that label. So while I agree that if your current approach to RSS is leading you to ignore most of what ends up in your reader, you might need a different approach, but that approach doesn't have to be "don't use RSS".
- shurcooL 14y ago
  Yep, pretty much this for me too. http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1528/imageiq.png http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1528/imageiq.png I read all the things in the "Interesting" label, they get one new item once every few days at most. In the mass news section, I keep up to date with the first site but all others I only check up infrequently (hence they regularly get to 1000+ and I don't mind, that's normal). And the Occasional label is kinda in between, but in reality I don't really read anything there anymore.
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  I use Digg as my Can Miss folder. It's a surprisingly good filter for the day's news.
TillE 14y ago
That's how I used to use Reader. One "Important" folder for stuff that I was very likely to read, and another for skimming. It's a common complaint about Twitter that once you start following a few people who produce high volumes of crap, it becomes useless. The usual advice is to be quick to unfollow, but I've always missed a "must read" feature for Twitter, to specially mark those few people where you really do want to see every single tweet.
- rst 14y ago
  I'm playing with a couple of strategies: creating a list, and then viewing tweets on the list (which show up jumbled when the list is first created, but seem in order thereafter), and just having multiple accounts...
- shrikant 14y ago
  I like the "volume dial" on G+ Circles. Just wish it would let me filter circle posts by media type (i.e. block all images and videos, but show all text and link posts). I'm sure it can be done, as they just implemented this feature for Google+ searches.
- runjake 14y ago
  This is what Twitter's Lists functionality is for. I have separate lists of people for topics I am interested in, such as running, android, infosec, etc. The downside is that people on your lists don't enjoy the same capabilities as the people you follow, so they can't DM and they might be insulted that you show as not following them.
Semaphor 14y ago
Yep. I read about 10% of Techdirt and Android Police but those 10% are usually things I'm really interested in so deleting them is not an option. So I usually just skip the headlines and open up whatever sounds interesting.
jdechko 14y ago
I also had a 2 folder system, but subscribe to so few feeds that going away for a weekend only leaves me with a few hundred unread articles. Since many sites overlap in terms of content, I don't even always need to read every article anyway.

eridius 14y ago

mathOne, all your comments seem to be [dead].

jcurbo 14y ago

This exactly matches my use case for RSS. High volume daily websites - like HN - I read directly. I went through a phase where I tried to read HN via RSS (in Google Reader) and for me it wasn't better than just hitting HN directly. But for the kind of sites Marco mentions (which I read most of, actually) that update on a semi-daily or weekly basis, RSS readers are perfect because I don't want to go and visit those pages individually just to see they don't have any updates. Typically those sites are narrowly-focused personal/organizational blogs in areas I am interested in.

jrkelly 14y ago
Could not agree more, this is the exact use case for the 'power users' of RSS. And he is right that without RSS I don't know how these low-posting-frequency sites would keep their readership. If I had to give up one, I'd give up twitter or hackernews long before that low-frequency RSS feed. Those posts are gold and for niche subjects (I'm into bio) there is no where else they are aggregated.
- epsylon 14y ago
  Tech, video games, etc.. journalists have a very different use case for RSS, which is exactly using it to monitor dozens of other information sources (including their competitors). I think they match the definition of power users, perhaps more than you and I, because that's the primary tool for their job : they will routinely have hundreds of RSS feeds and will skim quickly through thousands of items a day to look for the information that they haven't treated yet. RSS is perfect for that matter and it is precisely the opposite of what marco and you claim is a poor usage of RSS.
dankoss 14y ago
Exactly. Most of the blogs I read are updated once a week or even once a month, but they have great content I don't want to miss. RSS allows me to not have those sites in my bookmarks but always get their latest content. I've also used it for Craigslist searches and store updates when items go on sale, which are infrequent enough that I would miss them unless I checked every day. I would like to use RSS to grab frequently updated tech news, but in a separate bucket that doesn't count as "unread". I'd rather strip out the site design and just focus on the content. That's what news is, right?

mh- 14y ago

I was very confused to see that I posted this article.

dasil003 14y ago
Hacking might be difficult if you confuse dashes with underscores.

monsur 14y ago

This is precisely why I like Fever as an RSS reader. Fever lets you separate feeds into low-volume kindling and high-volume sparks. Kindling are the feeds you want to keep up with regularly, while items that are mentioned across Sparks bubble up to the top (Its like having your own personal Hacker News).

icebraining 14y ago
Well, I'd say any reader with some kind of categorization support (tags, folders, etc) lets you do that. I have folders in Tiny Tiny RSS that never accumulate more than a couple of unread items, and I have a folder with 22000 unread items, it works just fine.

gtCameron 14y ago

Ironically, I use IFTTT to read the RSS and push sites like what he is describing into Instapaper. You lose the by-site organization of it, but if you don't overdo it you end up with a nice small selection of things to read every day when you fire up Instapaper.

davebindy 14y ago

I tend to add feeds only when the site doesn't generate either a significant number of comments or comments that are actually worth reading. Sites like HN I'm often as (or more) interested in the comments as in the actual article, so I'll just visit the site for that reason instead of using RSS.

Spellman 14y ago

I personally started using an RSS Reader to keep track of webcomics. Especially ones that update infrequently. Now they're all in one handy place and I never miss a panel.

gz5 14y ago

Like many of the points but not following the conclusions because Google Reader doesn't aid long tail discovery...was just best place to subscribe post-discovery. If the need for RSS reader remains, then others will simply fill the GR niche?

curtin 14y ago

I use to mess with rss and agree with Marco on the purpose of them. Then I found a better solution, just subscribe to some of the awesome curated newsletters out there that do all this for you. HN has one - http://hackernewsletter.com http://hackernewsletter.com and Peter Cooper's tech focused ones (https://cooperpress.com/ https://cooperpress.com/) keep you in the loop in a particular stack, plus a lot of others that I've seen. Now I don't have to check anything these days, except my email, which of course I check everyday anyhow!

ruswick 14y ago
That may be fine for some, but newsletters are inherently limited by the amount of space they are willing to provide to links, and by their domain, because most letters are topic-specific. While newsletters can support maybe 20 links per week, RSS is adept at handling hundreds if not thousands. Moreover, one of the great benefits of RSS is that it is customizable and one's reading experience pertains specifically and only to them. With newsletters, one is throwing their reading experience to the mercy of the newsletter editor. This is not to say that newsletters aren't valuable. Their spontaneity and conciseness provides a great reading experience. (Although, I think Twitter is superior at this type of thing anyway.) But, given the idiosyncrasies of newsletters, I just don't believe that they are tenable alternatives to RSS. Those who want to read a lot of content from an eclectic array of specific sources still need something like RSS.
- petercooper 14y ago
  If you want to specifically choose your sources, I think you're right. If you're happy with a 'best of' on a topic by topic basis, newsletters can/do work. With newsletters, one is throwing their reading experience to the mercy of the newsletter editor. This is part of the appeal for many non-power readers. The majority are not particularly interested in curating or even controlling their sources and are happy to outsource it to either trusted editors (see almost the entire print media or something like Techmeme) or the "cloud" (e.g. Reddit or Hacker News).
nickm12 14y ago
How do the newsletter curators find interesting long-tail links?

lakofsth 14y ago

For the same reason that I have 14000 messages in my inbox (half unread), this is bunk. Who cares if you can't read everything? OCD much.

bsimpson 14y ago

I never got into RSS readers, but I use Hacker News and Reddit for the purposes Marco is describing. I have Pulse on my phone set up to follow a handful of RSS feeds (Hacker News, The Verge, Daring Fireball, Ars Technica, etc.) so I have an easy way to see what's happening if I have a couple minutes to kill throughout my day.

k3n 14y ago
I think Pulse could be tagged as an RSS reader, though not having used it I can't say for sure. But if it lets you setup feeds to follow...
ldh 14y ago
I think you're missing what he says. Hacker News and Reddit are completely perpendicular use cases to RSS. From the article: The true power of the RSS inbox is keeping you informed of new posts that you probably won’t see linked elsewhere. I feel like I've been shouting this into the void over the last few days of RSS-related submissions, but RSS is not best suited as a news-discovery paradigm. Aggregators like HN or Reddit serve that purpose. RSS's sweet spot is tracking deeper content on niche sites or topics that don't get swept up in hype mills, and if you're interested in more than two or three blogs or sites like that, RSS is essentially the way to track that content. Being able to share that and discuss with a select group of people was icing on the cake that Google Reader added. Without seeming overly defensive about it, I feel like everyone who dismisses RSS lately with "that's what HN is for" has never used RSS in the way that many of us find indispensable.
- bsimpson 14y ago
  But if there's an interesting article on marco.org, someone who reads that will post it to /r/programming, and I'll get to read it without having to find and follow the author.
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    I didn't know marco.org had anything to do with programming. I added it to Feedly when someone linked a good article on it. I don't care for programming, so I wouldn't have /r/programming/ in my subscriptions. Different people internet differently

roc 14y ago

The creator of Instapaper doesn't see the value-add of using an RSS reader to skim the postings of a high-volume site, for readability/usability reasons? That's a curious blind-spot.

itafroma 14y ago
He didn't say anything to that effect at all. The only things that come close to that characterization are: 1. "If a site posts many items each day and you barely read any of them, delete that feed." (emphasis mine) If you're skimming all the items in a feed and deriving value from it, this piece of advice doesn't apply. 2. "RSS works best when following a large number of infrequently updated sites." Works best, not only works. 3. "It’s not enough to interleave their posts into a “river” or “stream” paradigm [...] because many of them would get buried in the noise of higher-volume feeds and people’s tweets." It's not enough, not that it's categorically not valuable. The whole article dovetails nicely with Instapaper's purpose, which is to ensure you don't miss reading articles you find important. Relying solely on a river of news that's filled with high volume sources leads to a high chance of missing stuff you otherwise want to keep close tabs on. Pretty uncontroversial stuff.
- roc 14y ago
  > "You shouldn’t come back to hundreds or thousands of unread articles." ... "you shouldn’t subscribe to feeds that would generate that kind of unread volume." ... "you’re using it in a way that’s not good for you." These sorts of prescriptive statements don't read as "I see the value others may derive from other use cases." They explicitly read as "I don't see the value" and "I've looked and I don't think it exists." Further, using an RSS reader to skim a frequently-updated site, of which I read only a few articles, is precisely the point. High quantities of postings exacerbates the flaws of their designs. But with RSS, it's easy to skim pages of headlines. After a long weekend I can deal with hundreds of unread articles precisely because I'm interested in so little. If there were aggregating services that delivered what I was looking for, I'd certainly prefer that. But I haven't found them.

BenoitEssiambre 14y ago

Exactly! Also the fact that rss enables this kind high quality, narrow domain, low volumes posting makes the web way better. I don't want to read professional writers who have to write their quota whether there is good material to write about or not on that day. They too often focus on gossip and sensationalism. Although I might be entertained briefly, in the end I will not have gained much from reading this type of articles and it's a waste of my time. I want to read the authors who mostly spends their time doing things in their domain of expertise and get out of their lab/office/cave once in a while to write a post on something they feel is interesting and worth sharing. Because they are not frequent writers the prose might be dryer but the facts, ideas and insights are usually much better than what you get from those who's main job is writing. I love insights that comes directly from an expert's keyboard. They are pearls of wisdom and it would be sad to lose them because of a decline in support for RSS.

BenoitEssiambre 14y ago
Writing this made me realize that the closing of G Reader might be a huge opportunity for Tumblr. Tumblr already has RSS features on the publishing side which means they don't lock in their users content in their platform. Imagine if facebook would allow their users's public posts to be viewable in g+. That's what Tumblr does. Having RSS publishing is a good first step for an open and interoperable social platform. Add to that the ability to see all unread posts from a group of subscriptions and the ability to subscribe to outside rss feeds within Tumblr and you got yourself a very good social network/feed reader/blogging platform. Maybe the kids are on to something. I wonder if there is a business model for a social network that keeps posts in the open and encourages consumptions from outside platforms through rss.
- johnchristopher 14y ago
  > Imagine if facebook would allow their users's public posts to be viewable in g+. That's what Tumblr does. I may have missed something but I haven't seen some tumblr post posted on G+ via RSS (yet). > Having RSS publishing is a good first step for an open and interoperable social platform. Add to that the ability to see all unread posts from a group of subscriptions and the ability to subscribe to outside rss feeds within Tumblr and you got yourself a very good social network/feed reader/blogging platform. A good first step but they (facebook, twitter) all ended up removing it. > Maybe the kids are on to something. More like the parents (read: youngsters from the 2000) were on to something. I had high hopes for RSS and even higher for ATOM (I ended up writing my own flat-file blog system that only used ATOM documents as storage, I really liked it with the full xslt mumbo jumbo but in the end it's xml and that was it). >I wonder if there is a business model for a social network that keeps posts in the open and encourages consumptions from outside platforms through rss. Some tried to monetize RSS by adding ads in the feeds but that didn't take off. Reading a site's content only in the rss feed cuts off its authors from any kind of revenues (worse if the online reader displays its own add along the feeds). I presented a project when I was a student. It consisted of a website that offered any registered user to transform the RSS/ATOM feeds they would have supplied into a mini updated WAP-enabled website for browsing the feeds on those old nokia of the 2000s. It was nice and all but when one of my advisors asked me "how would you turn it into something profitable or how would you bring it to the market?" all I could say was "this would never work because nobody with profits on his mind is promoting webfeeds". I though the news-publishing industry would use RSS as a kind of copy-pasta medium but it doesn't look like things are going this way (at least not on the public side of things). RSS (and ATOM because "i want to believe") isn't dead but I am not convinced it's going to make a come-back on any for-profit social network.

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caycep 14y ago

sorta wish this was the start of the "negative killfile" in the William Gibson Idoru trilogy. Because, you know, 3D cyberspace Walled City and stuff.

caycep 14y ago

Also, it occurs to me, I use Instapaper to deal with this issue in RSS...hmm...

Too 14y ago

Just disable read status in your rss-client and the problem is solved. For low frequency sites that you care about you most likely remember their latest headlines anyway. For high frequency sites just watch the headlines roll by, if you happen to be interested in one then click it, otherwise just ignore.

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wcgortel 14y ago

This is a very interesting use case, particularly in investment analysis, my area of specialty. The problem of obscure, rarely updated blogs with fantastic information (but no reader base) is plainly evident here. I can think of a blogger who is a fixture on "who's who" lists, but publishes a blog so ill-trafficked you can hear the crickets chirping. There are hundreds of these guys. I'm at work on a finance-specific version of this. Hopefully we can announce something before the readerpocalypse.

webwanderings 14y ago

The rss2email script apparently works like a charm but it isn't suitable for large number of feed subscription. This is where Google Reader came in handy because I didn't have to care how long it takes to grab however many feeds I have under my account. Ultimately, all RSS feed readers (old and new) are going to be suffering from this issue of retrieving large number of feeds.

charlieok 14y ago

The feature I want on RSS readers: Volume sliders. A volume slider per feed, and perhaps also a global one. If a feed is posting too much stuff, but I still like some of the stuff on it, I'd prefer not to unsubscribe if I had a better option. If I notice a feed getting a bit noisy, I'd like to open a view for that feed, with titles and timestamps. Then I'd just move a slider and watch stuff drop out, until I've turned it down to a volume I can handle. Hopefully, the lower-signal items will drop out of view first and the higher-signal items last. The more data available for making these rankings, the better. Comment counts or scores from the hosting site should help. So should links/shares/likes/comments across the major social networks.

tristan_juricek 14y ago
Right, the problem is just that "unread counts" aren't that nice of a feature for RSS feeds, because not all posts are created equal. (Hell, it's not even that nice of a feature on email, unless you do a lot of filtering.) I like the volume slider ideal; I that you could leverage social media outlets as a scoring system. (I'd include HN in that - the more points, the higher the score.) That could give you a nice way to "bump up" the things past some "volume" you haven't seen in priority. I don't like the idea of "just don't subscribe"; why can't the tool figure this out for me? Edit: "aren't nice" -> "aren't that nice". I do think counts are useful, just far, far from perfect. What I find myself dong is finding a feed with unread items, skimming, then marking all as read. (Well, when I use Reader, sigh.)
- charlieok 14y ago
  I personally don't mind unread counts. That aspect really depends on the way you use it. I used to have a ton of unread items sitting in the feed reader; now everything is either immediately discarded or immediately shunted into Pocket. (A good phone interface for me might be: swipe left = discard, swipe right = send to view-later service of choice and discard. Fast!) Of course, that means I now have a ton of unread stuff sitting in Pocket. So I think services in that category could benefit from this kind of scoring too. I can see my Pocket stuff in reverse chronological order. I'd love a really intelligent, adaptive “sort by magic” for that big bucket. You suggested using HN as a source. That's absolutely along the lines I'm thinking. It's like this: every site can be a source of stories, but every site should also be a potential source of scoring signals for stories -- either its own or elsewhere.

mcculley 14y ago

I think advising people to delete feeds misses a possible feature that I wish was available in the feed readers I've tried: I would like to mark each feed/URL to tell the feed reader if it is a feed in which I care about seeing every new item. The "number unread" cue/badge should only count the important feeds and not ones where I just want to see the latest content if I have free time.

gnosis 14y ago

I've read HN over RSS for years. It's perfect for that. Firefox isn't very well suited for keeping up with blogs and news sites like HN because it's so damn bloated and slow, and you can't really save any articles for later reading without upvoting, opening them in a new tab, or bookmarking them. Bookmarks in Firefox are a total pain in the ass, so I try to avoid them as much as possible. I already have more than enough tabs open, and don't want to waste more keeping some possibly interesting article waiting for me. In my RSS reader (Newsbeuter[1]), all I have to do to save an article for later reading is not delete it. It will remain marked as new and I can read it later, at my leisure. If I go for some days (or weeks) without reading HN at all, I can come back whenever I have time and still have all the articles waiting for me, instead of using HN's shitty time-limited "more.." prompt to painfully page through old articles. Some years back, there were even a couple of "HN Full Feed" RSS feeds that would show the entire linked article in each RSS item, so I could read it in my RSS reader instead of having to click through to some crappily designed website and get pissed off at how long Firefox took to load it. RSS is really one of the very best ways to read virtually any blog or news site, whether there are a ton of new items per day (like HN), or whether it's some little blog that's updated once every few years, or anywhere in between. [1] - http://www.newsbeuter.org/index.html http://www.newsbeuter.org/index.html

pseut 14y ago
Newsbeuter is awesome for text heavy feeds, but less so for (say) photoblogs. I'd really like to see more development of different types of specialized rss readers and get away from the OP's argument that there's a "right way" to use rss.
setrofim_ 14y ago
> and you can't really save any articles for later reading without upvoting check out http://www.readability.com/addons http://www.readability.com/addons

pauljonas 14y ago

Everybody thinks everyone uses or should use the internet the same way they do. I couldn't disagree with this post more. I subscribe to a lot of sites that accumulate thousands of unread items. In fact, I could care less about read/unread toggle. My RSS is indeed a river, but it's a river that sometimes I plunge wholeheartedly into and devour large chunks, other times I merely skim for items of interest. Then there are spots in which most is completely ignored. But it's still there and given the magic of SEARCH, I can pull up all the articles for a topic of interest, confining my query to just those sites I have pre-declared an interest in. So I like the mailbox metaphor for being able to quickly traverse items and skim item summaries, so the real payoff for me is not just the increased efficiency in reviewing so much more than could be done by visiting each site (or even in a magazine/mosaic format) but also a repository ready to serve up information for any topic that I wish to browse upon in a future moment.

edavis 14y ago

Both high and low volume feeds have their use. You just have to know how to manage them. I use River2 for my high volume feeds while I stick my rarely updated and "must read" feeds into NetNewsWire. Has been working pretty well for me so far. When using NetNewsWire, I'm in "slow down mode" where just about every item (in theory) is important to me. But when I'm using River2, I'm in "scan and click mode" and just trying to see what the latest news is. Using separate applications like this helps keep me "in the zone." If I were to put high volume feeds in NetNewsWire the temptation to read all the posted items would be too great. In River2, items older than three hours just drop off the page. There's no "unread count" or "read older items" button to tempt you.

Schwolop 14y ago

Surely there's a sorting metric that could solve this? Something like score = k_1/age_of_post * k_2/frequency_of_posts with appropriate k-weights. Personally, my Google Reader has a folder for 'rarely updated', which I usually check first. Then I have the 'All Items' sorted by magic and skim the first few pages or so for things that strike me as interesting. Then I mark all as read.

erikpukinskis 14y ago

The "tyranny of the loudest" is a problem I wish more reader software addressed. If someone tweets 100 times a day, just show me the one that was retweeted 10 times. If someone tweets once a month I want to see every one. Maybe give the option to accordion out a "100 tweets hidden" link.

notaddicted 14y ago

Something else that Marco didn't dwell on is the diversity of stuff that you can basically just plug into your rss reader if you want notification. A website may choose to use it to publish anything they wish. Misc. examples: 1. Following a user on reddit via rss: http://www.reddit.com/user/PresidentObama/.rss http://www.reddit.com/user/PresidentObama/.rss 2. Following a search term on reddit via rss: http://www.reddit.com/search/.rss?q=manbearpig http://www.reddit.com/search/.rss?q=manbearpig 3. Checking a mailinator throwaway email via rss: http://www.mailinator.com/rss.jsp?email=webmaster http://www.mailinator.com/rss.jsp?email=webmaster 4. Google Alerts (RIP.)

gurkendoktor 14y ago
5. Blog comments, especially for threads that go like this: "I also have this problem" (2010), "Me too" (2011), "Me too" (2012), "Ah, here's the solution (2013)
- chronomex 14y ago
  "Please send me the codes? sandeep_31285@yahoo.co.in" (2012 a, b, c, d)

Spittie 14y ago

I partially agree - I do use RSS to check for sites that publish daily updates (yes, even Hacker News). But even with those, you don't need to overload yourself. Right now I get about ~100 news every day, which is perfectly fine with me. I went away last week, and I was greeted by ~500 news. I was able to skim through those in maybe one hour, so it was fine. Everytime I feel that my feed reader is overloaded, I write down every site that I follow, and decide about which sites I really care, and which sites i can easily unsubscribe without problems. I also try to remove sites that post the same thing (this happen a lot with news sites).

saraid216 14y ago

I wonder how much of a challenge it would be to create an RSS client that provides a direct payment system to content creators. I'm sort of shocked that I can't remember hearing about something like that; the issue was always about getting page views and having a donation link or whatever. They never seemed to consider direct payment of any kind, even though PayPal was definitely around back then. Take a slice en route and you have a business model. ...I feel like I should append this to the top comment so that it gets seen, heh. I'm not interested in doing this. Someone else do it.

stevewilhelm 14y ago

I think RSS is being replaced by Twitter. Many of the RSS feeds I currently consume already cross post to a dedicated Twitter account. If publishers aren't doing this, they should start before Google Reader is shuttered. As a consumer, set up a Twitter account dedicated to reading "long tail" low volume twitter feeds or use a fancy Twitter client like Tweetbot that manages lists.

taligent 14y ago
With RSS I often get the entire content or at minimum a decent sized summary with lots of photos. Twitter has none of that.

Sami_Lehtinen 14y ago

You don't need RSS for monitoring sites for infrequent updates. http://www.changedetection.com/ http://www.changedetection.com/ Free and well working solution. I use that to monitor all low traffic sites, which do not provide RSS.

laurent123456 14y ago

> If a site posts many items each day and you barely read any of them, delete that feed. If you find yourself hitting “Mark all as read” more than a couple of times for any feed, delete that feed. You won’t miss anything important. Actually, this could be an interesting feature of an RSS client. If the user keeps marking items of a feed as read, either put the feed in silent mode (no longer shows up in inbox) or lower the relevance of its items so that they go down the list (if the items are sorted by relevance).

Mithaldu 14y ago

So he advocates never subscribing to high frequency feeds because most clients show the contents of all feeds in one big list. I find that is the wrong way to adress the problem. A more useful solution seems to be a different way to structure an rss reader. Opera for example incorporates one that works alongside its email client. It fixes the issue by treating individual feeds as email folders which can be structured inside more folders and highlighting folders with unread contents as well as displaying their content counts. This screenshow should demonstrate usefully how easy this makes it to notice new updates on low-frequency feeds while still allowing skimming of high-frequency ones without one interrupting the other: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10190786/feeds.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10190786/feeds.png

prathibhanu 14y ago

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jasonjayr 14y ago

This is not a new problem -- newsgroups had this problem back in the day. I think the solution now is the same as it was back then -- better scoring/sorting/killfile tools that the end user can control. The death of newsgroups, was also the death of an structured, parseable discussion forum, where the end user had the final say on how they'd see the discussion. Nowadays, we need moderators and the forum software on the server to re-implement these things that newsreaders had worked out. I've setup my own ttrss instance, and it has some basic scoring abilities. Unfortunatly not all rss feeds provide the text of the article (or even the lede) in the feed directly, so the scoring ends up crippled.

josephkern 14y ago

Marco, you might also think of RSS readers like an archived narrow band search for high volume traffic. For example: I am a security researcher, so I susbscribe (via RSS) to everything security related that I can find: mailing lists, bleeding edge snort ruls, CVE, blogs, SANS, etc, etc. Now when I want to see the current state of affairs in Ineternet Explorer security issues, I can simply search for "Internet Explorer" in my RSS reader. I am then presented with the traffic on the latest issues, their possible resolutions, and even possibly the person who discovered the issue. The beauty of RSS is that it lets me decide what it will be, and when I want it to be that way.