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Speaking up to the individuals or to PyCon staff would have been very appropriate. Public shaming given the circumstances was not.
by integraton 14y ago
Speaking up to the individuals or to PyCon staff would have been very appropriate. Public shaming given the circumstances was not.
- jasonlotito 14y ago> Speaking up to the individuals or to PyCon staff would have been very appropriate. Speaking up to the individuals isn't always the easiest in a situation like that. It's easy to make that suggestion sitting behind a computer screen. So, she spoke up in the best way she knew how. In the end, the result between the 3 parties (the 2 guys, PyCon, and her) ended amicably. http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropriate.html http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inapprop... > Public shaming given the circumstances was not. Well, neither was their actions. More so, in fact. That she reacted poorly is indicative of the seriousness of their actions. Sitting comfortably at home in our chairs it's easy to dismiss this as nothing. But it's not.
- integraton 14y agoPyCon attendee procedure for handling harassment: https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/harassment-incidents/ https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/harassment-i... "Report the harassment incident (preferably in writing) to a conference staff member - all reports are confidential...The staff is well informed on how to deal with the incident and how to further proceed with the situation...Note: Public shaming can be counter-productive to building a strong community. PyCon does not condone nor participate in such actions out of respect."
- jasonlotito 14y agoAnd she reported the incident, in writing. Their note about public shaming, while accurate, is just that: a note.
- camelite 14y agoWhat a bizarrely meaningless statement. "I went to the shop like you asked. That note you left me about wanting milk, while accurate, is just that: a note." It's a procedure for handling harassment. It tells you what to do and what not to do. It's clearly relevant that the procedure was deliberately and knowingly violated.
- jasonlotito 14y ago> What a bizarrely meaningless statement. It's not meaningless, and your example is fairly piss-poor and doesn't relate at all. More importantly, the note was about how it didn't help community, and how PyCon wouldn't take part. Regardless, I find it ironic that people are publicly shaming a woman for publicly shaming a man.
- camelite 14y agoIt has the form of a counter-argument but its content is tautalogical, as with my example - your bare-naked assertion to the contrary notwithstanding. "PyCon <i>does not condone</i> nor participate in such actions" You've just used 17 words to characterise a 22 word statement and managed to leave out the part that explicitly condemns the type of behaviour you are defending. Furthermore, from your own link: "PyCon values the privacy of all attendees above everything. Except in cases wherein law enforcement must or could be involved, all reports and actions taken are kept confidential by PyCon staff. Sometimes public shaming is appropriate; sometimes it is not. PyCon seem to me to have concluded that in this woman's case, it was inappropriate. I personally believe that if it prevents this sort of thing in the future, most of the "public shaming" going on is this thread is appropriate and proportionate. Simple. No irony necessary.
- Dylan16807 14y agoWhy is that ironic? This incident was never about sexism.