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Fraud, blackmail, libel, DUI (without injuring anyone) are all non-violent crimes and you'd rather they be legalized?

rayiner 14y ago
There is no point probing his silly poorly thought out world view.
seanmcdirmid 14y ago
Fraud and blackmail insure people obviously. Libel, I'm not sure, but I'm American so we have no such laws anyways. DUI is interesting: its like randomly shooting into a crowd of people and just missing to hit someone.
- anigbrowl 14y ago
  We do have laws against libel, you just don't know about them. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/libel http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/libel
  - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
    Yes, but its only civil law, not criminal. I had the impression that we were just talking about criminal law.
    - jamesaguilar 14y ago
      Why would you have that impression? The threat of violence is also the means of enforcement for civil law. If you don't comply with judicial orders, eventually the sheriff will come by and force you to.
      - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
        IANAL but that is not true; they can only seize your property, and even then civil bankruptcy is still an option. You do not go to jail for violating a civil judgement.
        jamesaguilar 14y ago
        Seizing property is violent taking.
        seanmcdirmid 14y ago
        That is an ideological libertarian viewpoint, where even taxes are considered as violence. Not useful. There is a difference between going to jail for 4 years and just going bankrupt. The first you lose your freedom, the second you just lose your property but can at least keep living. Many people would never recover mentally from being incarcerated for 4 years, but many can recover from bankruptcy.
    - anigbrowl 14y ago
      You're right, I only gave a half-answer. We do have lws against sedition [1]. Having grown up around UK common law, I carelessly linked to libel instead - it's called 'seditious libel' over there. But that's probably not what you meant when you referred to libel. I'm sorry for the confusion and for not reading the link I posted more carefully. 1. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385?quicktabs_8=1#quicktabs-8 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385?quicktabs_8=1...
      - D9u 14y ago
        It's called "defamation" here in the USA. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-s...
baddox 14y ago
I would rather those rules not be enforced by a government.

There is no point probing his silly poorly thought out world view.

Fraud and blackmail insure people obviously. Libel, I'm not sure, but I'm American so we have no such laws anyways. DUI is interesting: its like randomly shooting into a crowd of people and just missing to hit someone.

anigbrowl 14y ago
We do have laws against libel, you just don't know about them. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/libel http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/libel
- seanmcdirmid 14y ago
  Yes, but its only civil law, not criminal. I had the impression that we were just talking about criminal law.
  - jamesaguilar 14y ago
    Why would you have that impression? The threat of violence is also the means of enforcement for civil law. If you don't comply with judicial orders, eventually the sheriff will come by and force you to.
    - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
      IANAL but that is not true; they can only seize your property, and even then civil bankruptcy is still an option. You do not go to jail for violating a civil judgement.
      - jamesaguilar 14y ago
        Seizing property is violent taking.
        seanmcdirmid 14y ago
        That is an ideological libertarian viewpoint, where even taxes are considered as violence. Not useful. There is a difference between going to jail for 4 years and just going bankrupt. The first you lose your freedom, the second you just lose your property but can at least keep living. Many people would never recover mentally from being incarcerated for 4 years, but many can recover from bankruptcy.
  - anigbrowl 14y ago
    You're right, I only gave a half-answer. We do have lws against sedition [1]. Having grown up around UK common law, I carelessly linked to libel instead - it's called 'seditious libel' over there. But that's probably not what you meant when you referred to libel. I'm sorry for the confusion and for not reading the link I posted more carefully. 1. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385?quicktabs_8=1#quicktabs-8 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385?quicktabs_8=1...
    - D9u 14y ago
      It's called "defamation" here in the USA. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-s...

baddox 14y ago

I would rather those rules not be enforced by a government.