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Meteor is like how web should've worked in the first place.

by nawitus 14y ago

prodigal_erik 14y ago
Meteor is just another framework for delivering thick client apps in js which cannot be part of the World-Wide Web, because it doesn't ship semantically described data at a stable URL which can be rendered and repurposed in unanticipated ways. Try curl http://demo.telesc.pe/ and you'll see a DOM with literally no content beyond "Loading...", completely broken unless you trust their code and want the only rendering it supports.
- nawitus 14y ago
  My point was that the definition of the world-wide web should've been different from the start.
  - icebraining 14y ago
    But then it wouldn't be the web, just a different concept with the same name. And a much poorer one, in my opinion.
- sgdesign 14y ago
  Note that you could make curl http://demo.telesc.pe/ http://demo.telesc.pe/ work just fine with Meteor's Spiderable package, which is simply not installed for the Telescope demo. Also, obviously the goal is that it should work properly without any package. Meteor is still young, give it time.
  - prodigal_erik 14y ago
    A quick search turned up http://spiderable.meteor.com/ http://spiderable.meteor.com/ and a couple of blog links, and none of those have any content either. This seems like an afterthought to the people behind Meteor, and I wouldn't describe them as having an obvious goal of avoiding damage to the Web.
alive-or-not 14y ago
Such a stupid statement. There should be world peace. The world population should be 300 million for a sustainable future. There were many advanced distributed data systems on the Internet in the early 90's, the Web won to a big degree because of it's simplicity.
- nawitus 14y ago
  Calling someone stupid is not very nice. You can very well disagree with my opinion, but you can do that without being rude. Your analogy of comparing a different technical solution to world peace seems pretty ridiculous, too.
- jacoblyles 14y ago
  Man, the earth would suck with 300 million people. We'd lose 80% of our culture and technology. Imagine a world where the only settled country was the USA.
  - iso-8859-1 14y ago
    sustainability is more important than culture and technology.
    - jacoblyles 14y ago
      reducing the human population ought to be the last resort, for a humanist.

Meteor is like how web should've worked in the first place.

by nawitus 14y ago

Meteor is like how web should've worked in the first place.

Meteor is just another framework for delivering thick client apps in js which cannot be part of the World-Wide Web, because it doesn't ship semantically described data at a stable URL which can be rendered and repurposed in unanticipated ways. Try curl http://demo.telesc.pe/ and you'll see a DOM with literally no content beyond "Loading...", completely broken unless you trust their code and want the only rendering it supports.

nawitus 14y ago
My point was that the definition of the world-wide web should've been different from the start.
- icebraining 14y ago
  But then it wouldn't be the web, just a different concept with the same name. And a much poorer one, in my opinion.
sgdesign 14y ago
Note that you could make curl http://demo.telesc.pe/ http://demo.telesc.pe/ work just fine with Meteor's Spiderable package, which is simply not installed for the Telescope demo. Also, obviously the goal is that it should work properly without any package. Meteor is still young, give it time.
- prodigal_erik 14y ago
  A quick search turned up http://spiderable.meteor.com/ http://spiderable.meteor.com/ and a couple of blog links, and none of those have any content either. This seems like an afterthought to the people behind Meteor, and I wouldn't describe them as having an obvious goal of avoiding damage to the Web.

alive-or-not 14y ago

Such a stupid statement. There should be world peace. The world population should be 300 million for a sustainable future. There were many advanced distributed data systems on the Internet in the early 90's, the Web won to a big degree because of it's simplicity.

nawitus 14y ago
Calling someone stupid is not very nice. You can very well disagree with my opinion, but you can do that without being rude. Your analogy of comparing a different technical solution to world peace seems pretty ridiculous, too.
jacoblyles 14y ago
Man, the earth would suck with 300 million people. We'd lose 80% of our culture and technology. Imagine a world where the only settled country was the USA.
- iso-8859-1 14y ago
  sustainability is more important than culture and technology.
  - jacoblyles 14y ago
    reducing the human population ought to be the last resort, for a humanist.