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Funny that these numbers are touted as being bad. In Vancouver the median price of a home is around $900k, we have high taxes, high fees for everything (cellpho

Funny that these numbers are touted as being bad. In Vancouver the median price of a home is around $900k, we have high taxes, high fees for everything (cellphones etc.), rents are around $900-$1000 per bedroom. And the kicker of it all is that the average family salary is a laughable $70k.

potatolicious 14y ago
As a Vancouver native who's since lived in Toronto, Seattle, SF, and now NYC, you guys really do not have it that bad. The ratio of rent to purchase price is low, which means for those who cannot afford to buy (which is, at this point, nearly everyone who isn't an oil sheikh or Chinese industrialist) the renting path is not bad at all. The rent "per bedroom" is not $900-1000. It's only $900-1000 if you want to live the urban lifestyle in Yaletown or the West End. For bedrooms in suburbia the proportional rent (i.e., per bedroom) is lower. Which is to say, the run-up in Vancouver rent (what little there has been) has mainly impacted those who can afford it most (read: those without children). Median family income in San Francisco is a "laughable" $72K, while studios run north of $2500 and one bedrooms bust the $3000 per month ceiling. That is a wealth gap. The demographics in that city have become "tech workers" and "everyone else", with even basic subsistence in the city becoming untenable for many who have been there for decades. Vancouver is (delightfully) free of such a stark dichotomy. Seriously, you guys live in a veritable paradise - economically, socially, and yes, in rent too. It gets much, much worse out there.
- JPKab 14y ago
  "For bedrooms in suburbia the proportional rent (i.e., per bedroom) is lower. Which is to say, the run-up in Vancouver rent (what little there has been) has mainly impacted those who can afford it most (read: those without children)." Why is it that people are expected to live in the suburbs when they have kids? I find this to be a uniquely post WW2 North American view, and a stupid one at that. For those of us with kids who would like to live a walkable life style, these rises in rent are not limited to "those who can afford it most."
  - potatolicious 14y ago
    This is as much an expectation as it is an expressed preference. Note that I'm not presenting any value judgment on it - as a staunch urbanist I'd like to see raising families in urban centers be more of a thing - but that is the reality as it stands. In Vancouver, families go into the burbs - whether or not this should be the case or what we can do to change this reality seems orthogonal to the main point: that rent increases are not impacting families as much as singles. Also, keep in mind that Vancouver's urban core is really, really small - roughly 2.5 sq. mi by my estimation. In this core is the hub of the city's nightlife and a huge attraction for the bridge-and-tunnel crowd - not exactly the most family-friendly environment. There is a substantial lack of urbanism in Vancouver that is separated from the lifestyle of early-mid 20-somethings.
    - dagw 14y ago
      This is as much an expectation as it is an expressed preference How much of that is due to money though. I have a kid, live in an apartment in the city and shudder at the concept of moving the suburb. However if you want at least 3 bedrooms, a reasonably safe, kid-friendly neighborhood and access to good schools then you have to pay a lot of money, certainly more than I can reasonably afford with burying myself in way too much debt. Everybody I know (with one or two exceptions) who's moved to the suburbs has done so for largely financial reasons. Had prices in attractive areas in the city been lower they quite probably would have stayed.
    - JPKab 14y ago
      Interesting. That's a shame that Vancouver doesn't have an urban core that is family friendly. I really enjoyed the city when I visited. I have a huge dislike of the "draw the drunks in" mentality of so many urban cores these days. I think that, similar to the way New Urbanism was viewed in the 1990's (no demand, so why build it), urban family living is a case where the demand appears as soon as the supply is present. But good luck getting a real estate developer on board when they can just stick to the tried and true of sucking in the yupsters. The closest thing you get to families in a lot of these place are BF/GF with a dog.
seanmcdirmid 14y ago
I thought you guys were the victims of lots of Chinese speculation coupled with lots of visa hedging? Just a bit to the south, Seattle is a bit cheaper.

potatolicious 14y ago

As a Vancouver native who's since lived in Toronto, Seattle, SF, and now NYC, you guys really do not have it that bad. The ratio of rent to purchase price is low, which means for those who cannot afford to buy (which is, at this point, nearly everyone who isn't an oil sheikh or Chinese industrialist) the renting path is not bad at all. The rent "per bedroom" is not $900-1000. It's only $900-1000 if you want to live the urban lifestyle in Yaletown or the West End. For bedrooms in suburbia the proportional rent (i.e., per bedroom) is lower. Which is to say, the run-up in Vancouver rent (what little there has been) has mainly impacted those who can afford it most (read: those without children). Median family income in San Francisco is a "laughable" $72K, while studios run north of $2500 and one bedrooms bust the $3000 per month ceiling. That is a wealth gap. The demographics in that city have become "tech workers" and "everyone else", with even basic subsistence in the city becoming untenable for many who have been there for decades. Vancouver is (delightfully) free of such a stark dichotomy. Seriously, you guys live in a veritable paradise - economically, socially, and yes, in rent too. It gets much, much worse out there.

JPKab 14y ago
"For bedrooms in suburbia the proportional rent (i.e., per bedroom) is lower. Which is to say, the run-up in Vancouver rent (what little there has been) has mainly impacted those who can afford it most (read: those without children)." Why is it that people are expected to live in the suburbs when they have kids? I find this to be a uniquely post WW2 North American view, and a stupid one at that. For those of us with kids who would like to live a walkable life style, these rises in rent are not limited to "those who can afford it most."
- potatolicious 14y ago
  This is as much an expectation as it is an expressed preference. Note that I'm not presenting any value judgment on it - as a staunch urbanist I'd like to see raising families in urban centers be more of a thing - but that is the reality as it stands. In Vancouver, families go into the burbs - whether or not this should be the case or what we can do to change this reality seems orthogonal to the main point: that rent increases are not impacting families as much as singles. Also, keep in mind that Vancouver's urban core is really, really small - roughly 2.5 sq. mi by my estimation. In this core is the hub of the city's nightlife and a huge attraction for the bridge-and-tunnel crowd - not exactly the most family-friendly environment. There is a substantial lack of urbanism in Vancouver that is separated from the lifestyle of early-mid 20-somethings.
  - dagw 14y ago
    This is as much an expectation as it is an expressed preference How much of that is due to money though. I have a kid, live in an apartment in the city and shudder at the concept of moving the suburb. However if you want at least 3 bedrooms, a reasonably safe, kid-friendly neighborhood and access to good schools then you have to pay a lot of money, certainly more than I can reasonably afford with burying myself in way too much debt. Everybody I know (with one or two exceptions) who's moved to the suburbs has done so for largely financial reasons. Had prices in attractive areas in the city been lower they quite probably would have stayed.
  - JPKab 14y ago
    Interesting. That's a shame that Vancouver doesn't have an urban core that is family friendly. I really enjoyed the city when I visited. I have a huge dislike of the "draw the drunks in" mentality of so many urban cores these days. I think that, similar to the way New Urbanism was viewed in the 1990's (no demand, so why build it), urban family living is a case where the demand appears as soon as the supply is present. But good luck getting a real estate developer on board when they can just stick to the tried and true of sucking in the yupsters. The closest thing you get to families in a lot of these place are BF/GF with a dog.

seanmcdirmid 14y ago

I thought you guys were the victims of lots of Chinese speculation coupled with lots of visa hedging? Just a bit to the south, Seattle is a bit cheaper.