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I feel like its 1998 and everyone has discovered Back Orifice again.

by swang 14y ago

Brajeshwar 14y ago
Ah! Cult of the Dead Cow.
- umphetico 14y ago
  Ah yes. My early days in junior high school were spent trying to infect the school library computers so I could use free internet. Nostalgia.
Andrenid 14y ago
I honestly thought this was another one of those "Let's post a 10 year old article to reminisce" posts... To be honest, i'm semi-impressed this is still a thing. I assumed it had died in the late 90s. It's also scary of course, that these people seem to have antivirus running and it hasn't stopped it. Seems like a pretty trivial thing to detect?
- wuest 14y ago
  The problem is that the behavior itself is rarely viral. What's the difference between this and, for example, gotomypc?
- xyzzy123 14y ago
  Antivirus is much less effective than most people believe. The problem is that the AV is "entrenched" and the malware is "mobile" Malware authors can simply tweak or repack their code until the AV engines don't detect it anymore. Getting around behavioral detection is harder, but possible. If malware is privileged it becomes an arms race of who can hook lowest and who can disable who.
  - jiggy2011 14y ago
    Agreed, I don't bother with AV software for myself anymore the performance penalty and nagging isn't worth it. I tend to notice a correlation between people who have problems with malware/spyware/crapware and people who have AV software installed and it's the opposite of what you might expect. Perhaps people who install it get a false sense of security? AV software tends to be either ineffective in that it doesn't detect a lot of actual malware or it is constantly generating a lot of false positives which people just learn to ignore "Tracking cookie detected! Your life is in danger!".
    - adrianN 14y ago
      Perhaps people who don't install it are much more likely to know what they're doing and avoid common sources of infection.
    - S_A_P 14y ago
      I think this is a necessity to justify AV to the masses. They have to find lots of "threats" to a) keep your average user scared into renewing every year and b) impress the owner that the application is so thorough. Look at this! it found all these cookies that could harm me! This software rocks!
    - rapind 14y ago
      It's possible your correlation implies you simply aren't aware that you and others not running AV have a virus. I'm more of a firewall guy myself.
    - tripzilch 14y ago
      > "Tracking cookie detected! Your life is in danger!" That's the difference between Microsoft Security Essentials and commercial AV software. One is designed to just make the more OS secure, the other also needs to advertise its presence and appear to be "doing something".
NuZZ 14y ago
SubSeven, anyone :)? Also, apparently it was relaunched in 2010 and soon after their site was hacked[1], they also lost their source code - ahaha. No backups, 2010. Christ. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7
- Jacquass12321 14y ago
  That brings back memories, used that to mess with friends back in highschool in 00-02. "Weird, my cd drive just opened up."
kahawe 14y ago
I have been saying this for a long time... what we are really seeing in "web 2.0" is actually average folks catching up to what geeks have been doing for a long time, it's only on a much larger scale now but almost all you see nowadays has already been there and done before.
StavrosK 14y ago
Not even that, it feels like NetBus, especially with the opening and closing the DVD tray.

I feel like its 1998 and everyone has discovered Back Orifice again.

by swang 14y ago

I feel like its 1998 and everyone has discovered Back Orifice again.

Brajeshwar 14y ago

Ah! Cult of the Dead Cow.

umphetico 14y ago
Ah yes. My early days in junior high school were spent trying to infect the school library computers so I could use free internet. Nostalgia.

Andrenid 14y ago

I honestly thought this was another one of those "Let's post a 10 year old article to reminisce" posts... To be honest, i'm semi-impressed this is still a thing. I assumed it had died in the late 90s. It's also scary of course, that these people seem to have antivirus running and it hasn't stopped it. Seems like a pretty trivial thing to detect?

wuest 14y ago
The problem is that the behavior itself is rarely viral. What's the difference between this and, for example, gotomypc?
xyzzy123 14y ago
Antivirus is much less effective than most people believe. The problem is that the AV is "entrenched" and the malware is "mobile" Malware authors can simply tweak or repack their code until the AV engines don't detect it anymore. Getting around behavioral detection is harder, but possible. If malware is privileged it becomes an arms race of who can hook lowest and who can disable who.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  Agreed, I don't bother with AV software for myself anymore the performance penalty and nagging isn't worth it. I tend to notice a correlation between people who have problems with malware/spyware/crapware and people who have AV software installed and it's the opposite of what you might expect. Perhaps people who install it get a false sense of security? AV software tends to be either ineffective in that it doesn't detect a lot of actual malware or it is constantly generating a lot of false positives which people just learn to ignore "Tracking cookie detected! Your life is in danger!".
  - adrianN 14y ago
    Perhaps people who don't install it are much more likely to know what they're doing and avoid common sources of infection.
  - S_A_P 14y ago
    I think this is a necessity to justify AV to the masses. They have to find lots of "threats" to a) keep your average user scared into renewing every year and b) impress the owner that the application is so thorough. Look at this! it found all these cookies that could harm me! This software rocks!
  - rapind 14y ago
    It's possible your correlation implies you simply aren't aware that you and others not running AV have a virus. I'm more of a firewall guy myself.
  - tripzilch 14y ago
    > "Tracking cookie detected! Your life is in danger!" That's the difference between Microsoft Security Essentials and commercial AV software. One is designed to just make the more OS secure, the other also needs to advertise its presence and appear to be "doing something".

NuZZ 14y ago

SubSeven, anyone :)? Also, apparently it was relaunched in 2010 and soon after their site was hacked[1], they also lost their source code - ahaha. No backups, 2010. Christ. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub7

Jacquass12321 14y ago
That brings back memories, used that to mess with friends back in highschool in 00-02. "Weird, my cd drive just opened up."

kahawe 14y ago

I have been saying this for a long time... what we are really seeing in "web 2.0" is actually average folks catching up to what geeks have been doing for a long time, it's only on a much larger scale now but almost all you see nowadays has already been there and done before.

StavrosK 14y ago

Not even that, it feels like NetBus, especially with the opening and closing the DVD tray.