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Morse v. Frederick? Are you trolling? The Morse decision is so narrow that I don't know why you are expecting much traction by bringing it up. I'm curious are y

by dfc 14y ago

Morse v. Frederick? Are you trolling? The Morse decision is so narrow that I don't know why you are expecting much traction by bringing it up. I'm curious are you in high school? Edit: There is nothing wrong if you are in high school. I was only asking because being a high school student would be a good explanation for why you think the Morse decision was so contentious.

btilly 14y ago
I brought it up as a free speech decision that demonstrates that this court is not universally on the side of free speech. And yes, I think that the government should not be censoring political speech that takes place off of government property, no matter how much it dislikes the message. As for your high school accusation, I'm in the top 50 posters on this site. You can easily check that I don't look like a high school student. In fact had I chosen to have children when I got married, they would have now been old enough to have graduated from college.)
- dfc 14y ago
  No court is universally on the side of free speech. It was not an accusation of being a high school student. (I'm not even sure what the "accusation" would imply.) The question about high school was to assess why you thought the Morse decision was on the same level as Citizens United. And I'm not sure what you being in the top 50 has to do with anything.
  - 1123581321 14y ago
    By the top 50 remark he meant that you have a large body of material from which to ascertain that he is not a high school student.
    - rdl 14y ago
      I wonder who the youngest on http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders (top 100) is. I see a few people I recognize as late-20s, at least, but most in 30s, and plenty in 40s-60s range
      - lmm 14y ago
        I doubt they'd admit it. From bitter experience, you can be as respected as you like in a community like this, but the moment you reveal you're 14, everyone will stop listening to you.
        Evbn 14y ago
        Unless you are someone like Aaron Swartz, who was incredibly influential as a teenager.
wtallis 14y ago
I'm not familiar with the details of Morse v Frederick, but I'm curious to know what makes it a narrow ruling other than the age restriction? It seems at first glance that it gives schools the power to restrict almost any form of protest by students in or near schools.
- dfc 14y ago
  What makes it a narrow decision other than the issue of age and interests of a school administrator at a school function? Nothing. That seems to make it pretty narrow. Unlike other commenters in this thread I don't think "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" is political speech at a school function.
  - wtallis 14y ago
    I don't care whether you consider "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" to be political speech. Did the court? I don't recall hearing that Morse v Frederick only applied to non-political speech. And other than the age restriction, the only thing you can come up with is that it was restricted to only apply to the government agency that citizens of that age are required to interact with for most of their daily life, and can be reasonably expected to have the most cause to be protesting? That sure as hell doesn't narrow it down much more than the age restriction alone.
    - rayiner 14y ago
      That's a huge restriction. School is where children are socialized.[1] It's a unique environment in our historical tradition and a unique set of rules are applicable. [1] You might call it brainwashing, but society has historically valued this function very highly and protected it. Certainly during the founders time.
      - Evbn 14y ago
        Did many people even go to school in Founders time? Did we even have public school?
    - 14y ago

by dfc 14y ago

btilly 14y ago

I brought it up as a free speech decision that demonstrates that this court is not universally on the side of free speech. And yes, I think that the government should not be censoring political speech that takes place off of government property, no matter how much it dislikes the message. As for your high school accusation, I'm in the top 50 posters on this site. You can easily check that I don't look like a high school student. In fact had I chosen to have children when I got married, they would have now been old enough to have graduated from college.)

dfc 14y ago
No court is universally on the side of free speech. It was not an accusation of being a high school student. (I'm not even sure what the "accusation" would imply.) The question about high school was to assess why you thought the Morse decision was on the same level as Citizens United. And I'm not sure what you being in the top 50 has to do with anything.
- 1123581321 14y ago
  By the top 50 remark he meant that you have a large body of material from which to ascertain that he is not a high school student.
  - rdl 14y ago
    I wonder who the youngest on http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders (top 100) is. I see a few people I recognize as late-20s, at least, but most in 30s, and plenty in 40s-60s range
    - lmm 14y ago
      I doubt they'd admit it. From bitter experience, you can be as respected as you like in a community like this, but the moment you reveal you're 14, everyone will stop listening to you.
      - Evbn 14y ago
        Unless you are someone like Aaron Swartz, who was incredibly influential as a teenager.

wtallis 14y ago

I'm not familiar with the details of Morse v Frederick, but I'm curious to know what makes it a narrow ruling other than the age restriction? It seems at first glance that it gives schools the power to restrict almost any form of protest by students in or near schools.

dfc 14y ago
What makes it a narrow decision other than the issue of age and interests of a school administrator at a school function? Nothing. That seems to make it pretty narrow. Unlike other commenters in this thread I don't think "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" is political speech at a school function.
- wtallis 14y ago
  I don't care whether you consider "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" to be political speech. Did the court? I don't recall hearing that Morse v Frederick only applied to non-political speech. And other than the age restriction, the only thing you can come up with is that it was restricted to only apply to the government agency that citizens of that age are required to interact with for most of their daily life, and can be reasonably expected to have the most cause to be protesting? That sure as hell doesn't narrow it down much more than the age restriction alone.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    That's a huge restriction. School is where children are socialized.[1] It's a unique environment in our historical tradition and a unique set of rules are applicable. [1] You might call it brainwashing, but society has historically valued this function very highly and protected it. Certainly during the founders time.
    - Evbn 14y ago
      Did many people even go to school in Founders time? Did we even have public school?
  - 14y ago