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This is probably off-topic, but I've started using Safari religiously now. When Chrome first came out, it was barebones, fast and did the job. This is what Safa

by veb 14y ago

This is probably off-topic, but I've started using Safari religiously now. When Chrome first came out, it was barebones, fast and did the job. This is what Safari currently feels like, so I'm using it. Fast, stable, and does the job. Now Chrome feels like it's just another bloated browser. Which is slow, and hogs my computer. </opinion>

webwanderings 14y ago
As I recall, they stopped updating the browser for Windows after certain version. So comparing Safari to Chrome seems misplaced in this context.
- scholia 14y ago
  If he uses Safari, I'd assume he has a Mac....
  - spoiler 14y ago
    Well, I used Safari before Chrome, came out... Firefox was dreadfully slow on my old computer. :(
    - scholia 14y ago
      Well, I said "uses" not "used" ;-)
stock_toaster 14y ago
I admit to liking Safari, and enjoy the seamless experience (on a mac), but I am a bit hesitant to switch completely given some of the things Safari apparently lacks in the realm of security. As an example, I don't believe Safari currently supports HSTS or cert pinning. Both Chrome and Firefox do.
diggan 14y ago
What in Chrome feels like bloat? If you don't install any extensions but adblock plus, Chrome feels kind of minimalistic. The only problem I have with Chrome is that I need to clear cache and history quite often but my computer sucks...
- k3n 14y ago
  They've gone overboard with their value-adds, and there's a non-trivial amount of features that are not required for simple web surfing: sync, apps (& background apps), cloud print, themes, phishing/malware detection, omnibox stuff, etc.
  - X-Cubed 14y ago
    All of that stuff can be turned off though (or in the case of apps & themes, not installed)
  - diggan 14y ago
    When you're browsing, you don't see most of the stuff you mentioned. Chrome may present different options to you but these are opt-in and possible to hide permanent.
    - lelandbatey 14y ago
      I'd just like to emphasize: when you're browsing, you don't see that stuff. I do not see any of the additional stuff that the above poster mentioned. I use exactly one feature in chrome other than just it's web browsing at that is sync. Even then, I haven't interacted with sync since the first time I installed Chrome on my computer.
      - LeonidasXIV 14y ago
        > I'd just like to emphasize: when you're browsing, you don't see that stuff. This is strange since many people say Firefox is bloated but im my opinion it looks about identical to how Chrome looks like, so they seem to define bloat in some other way. What you would consider bload, I'd call clutter. I de-cluttered my Firefox to this way that I only see the tab-bar, a command-bar and the web page.
k3n 14y ago
Perhaps Chromium proper would be a good fit for you; it's got the polish of Chrome UI but lacks all of that crap that Google has started bundling with Chrome (sync, etc.). The hardest part is finding the downloads, since they go to great lengths to prevent anyone from easily obtaining a compiled binary.
- mayanksinghal 14y ago
  > since they go to great lengths to prevent anyone from easily obtaining a compiled binary. 1. Googled "Download Chromium" 2. Clicked on http://download-chromium.appspot.com/ http://download-chromium.appspot.com/ 3. Unzip and Install.
  - k3n 14y ago
    EDIT: Apparently it is official / sanctioned, thanks for the correction. PREVIOUS: Yeah I saw that, but that's not an official or sanctioned site or binary, and thus didn't feel comfortable openly suggesting it. There's no way to guarantee that the contents haven't been modified or that they're even kept updated.
    - dhconnelly 14y ago
      http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium
      - k3n 14y ago
        Ah, missed that! Thanks.
    - mayanksinghal 14y ago
      As sibling says, it is mentioned on official site (hence sanctioned?), and it was binary for me (tested on Linux and Mac). > There's no way to guarantee that the contents haven't been modified or that they're even kept updated. There is no solution to that but to compile things ourselves anyway.
wil421 14y ago
The pinch and zoom feels much smoother on Safari, it's especially helpful on my laptop when viewing from a distance. Tha being said I'm really tired of being in the "walled garden" I have a Windows desktop and Andriod Tablet that would love to share iCloud tabs and bookmarks. Chrome can do all of that.
- jcromartie 14y ago
  But then you're just in Google's garden...
andrewparker 14y ago
Uninstall any extensions you have running in Chrome to get it feeling fresh again. In my personal experience (strictly subjective, not benchmarked), a clean chrome install runs faster than a clean Safari install.
nnethercote 14y ago
Sounds like profile problems to me. You could try Firefox again, but reset your profile first: https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2013/02/22/reset-firefox-is-wonderful/ https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2013/02/22/reset-firefo....
habosa 14y ago
That's exactly where I am. Chrome got to the point where it was using 2GB+ of memory. Safari uses a lot too, but consistently less than 1/2 of what Chrome would use and seems not to leak as much over time. It also boots MUCH, MUCH faster.

by veb 14y ago

webwanderings 14y ago

As I recall, they stopped updating the browser for Windows after certain version. So comparing Safari to Chrome seems misplaced in this context.

scholia 14y ago
If he uses Safari, I'd assume he has a Mac....
- spoiler 14y ago
  Well, I used Safari before Chrome, came out... Firefox was dreadfully slow on my old computer. :(
  - scholia 14y ago
    Well, I said "uses" not "used" ;-)

stock_toaster 14y ago

I admit to liking Safari, and enjoy the seamless experience (on a mac), but I am a bit hesitant to switch completely given some of the things Safari apparently lacks in the realm of security. As an example, I don't believe Safari currently supports HSTS or cert pinning. Both Chrome and Firefox do.

diggan 14y ago

What in Chrome feels like bloat? If you don't install any extensions but adblock plus, Chrome feels kind of minimalistic. The only problem I have with Chrome is that I need to clear cache and history quite often but my computer sucks...

k3n 14y ago
They've gone overboard with their value-adds, and there's a non-trivial amount of features that are not required for simple web surfing: sync, apps (& background apps), cloud print, themes, phishing/malware detection, omnibox stuff, etc.
- X-Cubed 14y ago
  All of that stuff can be turned off though (or in the case of apps & themes, not installed)
- diggan 14y ago
  When you're browsing, you don't see most of the stuff you mentioned. Chrome may present different options to you but these are opt-in and possible to hide permanent.
  - lelandbatey 14y ago
    I'd just like to emphasize: when you're browsing, you don't see that stuff. I do not see any of the additional stuff that the above poster mentioned. I use exactly one feature in chrome other than just it's web browsing at that is sync. Even then, I haven't interacted with sync since the first time I installed Chrome on my computer.
    - LeonidasXIV 14y ago
      > I'd just like to emphasize: when you're browsing, you don't see that stuff. This is strange since many people say Firefox is bloated but im my opinion it looks about identical to how Chrome looks like, so they seem to define bloat in some other way. What you would consider bload, I'd call clutter. I de-cluttered my Firefox to this way that I only see the tab-bar, a command-bar and the web page.

k3n 14y ago

Perhaps Chromium proper would be a good fit for you; it's got the polish of Chrome UI but lacks all of that crap that Google has started bundling with Chrome (sync, etc.). The hardest part is finding the downloads, since they go to great lengths to prevent anyone from easily obtaining a compiled binary.

mayanksinghal 14y ago
> since they go to great lengths to prevent anyone from easily obtaining a compiled binary. 1. Googled "Download Chromium" 2. Clicked on http://download-chromium.appspot.com/ http://download-chromium.appspot.com/ 3. Unzip and Install.
- k3n 14y ago
  EDIT: Apparently it is official / sanctioned, thanks for the correction. PREVIOUS: Yeah I saw that, but that's not an official or sanctioned site or binary, and thus didn't feel comfortable openly suggesting it. There's no way to guarantee that the contents haven't been modified or that they're even kept updated.
  - dhconnelly 14y ago
    http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium
    - k3n 14y ago
      Ah, missed that! Thanks.
  - mayanksinghal 14y ago
    As sibling says, it is mentioned on official site (hence sanctioned?), and it was binary for me (tested on Linux and Mac). > There's no way to guarantee that the contents haven't been modified or that they're even kept updated. There is no solution to that but to compile things ourselves anyway.

wil421 14y ago

The pinch and zoom feels much smoother on Safari, it's especially helpful on my laptop when viewing from a distance. Tha being said I'm really tired of being in the "walled garden" I have a Windows desktop and Andriod Tablet that would love to share iCloud tabs and bookmarks. Chrome can do all of that.

jcromartie 14y ago
But then you're just in Google's garden...

andrewparker 14y ago

Uninstall any extensions you have running in Chrome to get it feeling fresh again. In my personal experience (strictly subjective, not benchmarked), a clean chrome install runs faster than a clean Safari install.

nnethercote 14y ago

Sounds like profile problems to me. You could try Firefox again, but reset your profile first: https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2013/02/22/reset-firefox-is-wonderful/ https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2013/02/22/reset-firefo....

habosa 14y ago

That's exactly where I am. Chrome got to the point where it was using 2GB+ of memory. Safari uses a lot too, but consistently less than 1/2 of what Chrome would use and seems not to leak as much over time. It also boots MUCH, MUCH faster.