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Meteor 0.5.7 released: major scaling update, new DDP version, EJSON

77 points by debergalis 14y ago

jcampbell1 14y ago
I got my first taste of Meteor at a meetup in NYC on Tuesday night. I hacked something together with no experience in about 30 minutes that would be a pain to write in anything else, and completely trivial to write in Meteor. In fact I didn't bother to read the documentation. The app is a shared grocery list: http://www.teamgrocery.com/ http://www.teamgrocery.com/ The app never deletes anything, and I suppose a grocery list shared among all HN users should get overwhelmed really quickly :) I can't remember the last time I have had so much fun playing with a new framework. Meteor is going to be my goto technology for hackathons/prototypes.
- damoncali 14y ago
  The app never deletes anything, and I suppose a grocery list shared among all HN users should get overwhelmed really quickly Don't look now, but this is happening...at least one hopefully good natured(?) hacking attempt.
- siculars 14y ago
  Rate limit inserts? SHMEE is bombing you!
- ncrit 14y ago
  Shows an empty list for me and hangs, can't input anything...
RoboTeddy 14y ago
The Meteor guys are moving fast. This is awesome. I can't wait until all the current methods of creating web apps are obsolete.
- mjijackson 14y ago
  > I can't wait until all the current methods of creating web apps are obsolete. Please, don't hold your breath.
- miles_matthias 14y ago
  Meteor is moving quickly in part to the large GitHub following and involvement.
- debergalis 14y ago
  [core dev] Four of us are not "guys" :) They move fast too!
  - shawn-butler 14y ago
    Seriously, we have to moderate the use of the word "guys" now? It's a colloquialism for "people" in the plural. Although it is kind of interesting that it is common to use "guys" to describe either a group of men, or a mixed-gender group of people but I don't think anyone would use it to refer to a group consisting solely of women.
    - siculars 14y ago
      true. further, many languages refer to a group of women in the feminine, a group of men in the masculin and a mixed group in the masculin.
kiba 14y ago
As a developer using meteor, most of the changelog is a bunch of technical "jumbo humbo" to me. However, the full release notes said something about "performance" for some day to day operation, and that's all I need to hear. I must note that meteor does seems to excel at being absurdly trivial to get things done. It also isn't quite of a heavyweight to learn as compared to other frameworks. (I am working on a time tracking app that's coming rather nicely)
xulescu 14y ago
If Meteorite is the Package Manager for Meteor, why are the two not in sync? E.g. like npm for node?
siculars 14y ago
So can someone tell me what the monetization scheme is for Meteor and other frameworks like it? Is there one? Or is this purely for the joy of the code? Seriously...
- kiba 14y ago
  My guess is that the meteor team will also be the heroku of the meteor ecosystem.
- miles_matthias 14y ago
  Google that and you'll find a blog post by their CEO about their product strategy - enterprise deployment tools for purchase.
- geoffschmidt 14y ago
  Meteor CEO here. miles_matthias's got it right. We think of it like the difference between git and GitHub. git is free and open source, both the client and the server. But many people prefer to use GitHub, which puts a nice management interface on top of the server. And if you are a company and want GitHub inside your firewall, then you can write a check and download GitHub Enterprise, which is a copy of GitHub that comes as a machine image that you start on your own hardware. Our plan is to build nice management tools for Meteor deployments, and make money primarily by selling an enterprise-ready version of those tools to companies that are large enough to need them, analogous to GitHub Enterprise. Ultimately the big idea behind the company is to improve the developer experience of the entire application lifecycle, from writing your app, to testing it, to deploying it, to monitoring and scaling it. I think that modern frameworks need a story for all of these pieces.
iamclovin 14y ago
For folks who'd like to try out Meteor in the browser without any local installs, we just wrote a blog post on how you can do so on Action.IO: http://blog.action.io/2013/02/21/build-meteor-apps-in-the-browser-with-actionio-and-mongolab.html http://blog.action.io/2013/02/21/build-meteor-apps-in-the-br... (Disclosure: I'm one of the guys working on action.io - we're private beta now but sending out invites at a pretty fast clip)
throw_away_acc 14y ago
There's no place except on HN where Meteor gets regular attention, upvotes and always the same fan posts (i.e., "Meteor is going to be my goto technology", "The Meteor guys are moving fast"). Guys, this is all so obvious. EDIT: downvoting won't help, people aren't that stupid, $11M funding and sponsored posts are no reason to use any framework
- debergalis 14y ago
  [meteor dev and OP] Sorry to see this here. I don't know any of the people who commented here so far. I just smiled reading their stories -- they're the reason we work so hard on this project. If you're ever in SF, come to a Devshop and meet some of the community in person. I think it will change your impression. http://www.meetup.com/Meteor-SFBay/events/103016662/ http://www.meetup.com/Meteor-SFBay/events/103016662/
  - geoffschmidt 14y ago
    If he can't make it to SF, he could also come to a Meteor meetup group in Chicago, Minneapolis, Paris, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, Zurich, Philadelphia, Boston, The Hague, Johannesburg, Portland, LA, London, Austin, or Hong Kong. http://meteor.com/blog/2013/02/06/meteor-devshop-0-share-knowledge-not-germs http://meteor.com/blog/2013/02/06/meteor-devshop-0-share-kno...
- ceronman 14y ago
  And the worst thing was that absurd advertising in Russia the other day. What an expensive campaign just for a web framework!
themgt 14y ago
We just got Meteor compiling on Pogoapp (using a buildpack which uses meteor's git/master, so incorporates these updates[1]), and I booted up open source demo apps whipped up by a couple London developers after a chat in #meteor IRC: https://github.com/alanshaw/meteor-blackboard https://github.com/alanshaw/meteor-blackboard https://github.com/olizilla/goto-meteor https://github.com/olizilla/goto-meteor here's live demos (you can use zoom in both): http://blackboard.pogoapp.com http://blackboard.pogoapp.com http://meteor-goto.pogoapp.com/ http://meteor-goto.pogoapp.com/ Be sure to check go take a look at the code, or lack thereof - really impressive stuff. Since looking just a few months ago, the whole meteor ecosystem seems to have expanded and matured at a pretty incredible clip. [1]: https://github.com/oortcloud/heroku-buildpack-meteorite https://github.com/oortcloud/heroku-buildpack-meteorite
rayhano 14y ago
Interesting to read such polar views about Meteor. At Wigwamm, we wanted to build a user experience that was simple. A real-time auction and an auction catalogue full of full screen photographs. We discussed at length whether Meteor would allow us to do everything we needed. The conclusion was interesting: if it's not simple, if doing through Meteor is too hard, we probably don't want/need to do it. For us, it's nice to work with technology that genuinely pushes boundaries. Little plug: we're London UK based, so if you're local, love building products that help people and want to build in pure JavaScript/Meteor, please get in touch (@WigwammHQ on twitter)

77 points by debergalis 14y ago

I got my first taste of Meteor at a meetup in NYC on Tuesday night. I hacked something together with no experience in about 30 minutes that would be a pain to write in anything else, and completely trivial to write in Meteor. In fact I didn't bother to read the documentation. The app is a shared grocery list: http://www.teamgrocery.com/ http://www.teamgrocery.com/ The app never deletes anything, and I suppose a grocery list shared among all HN users should get overwhelmed really quickly :) I can't remember the last time I have had so much fun playing with a new framework. Meteor is going to be my goto technology for hackathons/prototypes.

damoncali 14y ago
The app never deletes anything, and I suppose a grocery list shared among all HN users should get overwhelmed really quickly Don't look now, but this is happening...at least one hopefully good natured(?) hacking attempt.
siculars 14y ago
Rate limit inserts? SHMEE is bombing you!
ncrit 14y ago
Shows an empty list for me and hangs, can't input anything...

RoboTeddy 14y ago

The Meteor guys are moving fast. This is awesome. I can't wait until all the current methods of creating web apps are obsolete.

mjijackson 14y ago
> I can't wait until all the current methods of creating web apps are obsolete. Please, don't hold your breath.
miles_matthias 14y ago
Meteor is moving quickly in part to the large GitHub following and involvement.
debergalis 14y ago
[core dev] Four of us are not "guys" :) They move fast too!
- shawn-butler 14y ago
  Seriously, we have to moderate the use of the word "guys" now? It's a colloquialism for "people" in the plural. Although it is kind of interesting that it is common to use "guys" to describe either a group of men, or a mixed-gender group of people but I don't think anyone would use it to refer to a group consisting solely of women.
  - siculars 14y ago
    true. further, many languages refer to a group of women in the feminine, a group of men in the masculin and a mixed group in the masculin.

kiba 14y ago

As a developer using meteor, most of the changelog is a bunch of technical "jumbo humbo" to me. However, the full release notes said something about "performance" for some day to day operation, and that's all I need to hear. I must note that meteor does seems to excel at being absurdly trivial to get things done. It also isn't quite of a heavyweight to learn as compared to other frameworks. (I am working on a time tracking app that's coming rather nicely)

xulescu 14y ago

If Meteorite is the Package Manager for Meteor, why are the two not in sync? E.g. like npm for node?

siculars 14y ago

So can someone tell me what the monetization scheme is for Meteor and other frameworks like it? Is there one? Or is this purely for the joy of the code? Seriously...

kiba 14y ago
My guess is that the meteor team will also be the heroku of the meteor ecosystem.
miles_matthias 14y ago
Google that and you'll find a blog post by their CEO about their product strategy - enterprise deployment tools for purchase.
geoffschmidt 14y ago
Meteor CEO here. miles_matthias's got it right. We think of it like the difference between git and GitHub. git is free and open source, both the client and the server. But many people prefer to use GitHub, which puts a nice management interface on top of the server. And if you are a company and want GitHub inside your firewall, then you can write a check and download GitHub Enterprise, which is a copy of GitHub that comes as a machine image that you start on your own hardware. Our plan is to build nice management tools for Meteor deployments, and make money primarily by selling an enterprise-ready version of those tools to companies that are large enough to need them, analogous to GitHub Enterprise. Ultimately the big idea behind the company is to improve the developer experience of the entire application lifecycle, from writing your app, to testing it, to deploying it, to monitoring and scaling it. I think that modern frameworks need a story for all of these pieces.

iamclovin 14y ago

For folks who'd like to try out Meteor in the browser without any local installs, we just wrote a blog post on how you can do so on Action.IO: http://blog.action.io/2013/02/21/build-meteor-apps-in-the-browser-with-actionio-and-mongolab.html http://blog.action.io/2013/02/21/build-meteor-apps-in-the-br... (Disclosure: I'm one of the guys working on action.io - we're private beta now but sending out invites at a pretty fast clip)

throw_away_acc 14y ago

There's no place except on HN where Meteor gets regular attention, upvotes and always the same fan posts (i.e., "Meteor is going to be my goto technology", "The Meteor guys are moving fast"). Guys, this is all so obvious. EDIT: downvoting won't help, people aren't that stupid, $11M funding and sponsored posts are no reason to use any framework

debergalis 14y ago
[meteor dev and OP] Sorry to see this here. I don't know any of the people who commented here so far. I just smiled reading their stories -- they're the reason we work so hard on this project. If you're ever in SF, come to a Devshop and meet some of the community in person. I think it will change your impression. http://www.meetup.com/Meteor-SFBay/events/103016662/ http://www.meetup.com/Meteor-SFBay/events/103016662/
- geoffschmidt 14y ago
  If he can't make it to SF, he could also come to a Meteor meetup group in Chicago, Minneapolis, Paris, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, Zurich, Philadelphia, Boston, The Hague, Johannesburg, Portland, LA, London, Austin, or Hong Kong. http://meteor.com/blog/2013/02/06/meteor-devshop-0-share-knowledge-not-germs http://meteor.com/blog/2013/02/06/meteor-devshop-0-share-kno...
ceronman 14y ago
And the worst thing was that absurd advertising in Russia the other day. What an expensive campaign just for a web framework!

themgt 14y ago

We just got Meteor compiling on Pogoapp (using a buildpack which uses meteor's git/master, so incorporates these updates[1]), and I booted up open source demo apps whipped up by a couple London developers after a chat in #meteor IRC: https://github.com/alanshaw/meteor-blackboard https://github.com/alanshaw/meteor-blackboard https://github.com/olizilla/goto-meteor https://github.com/olizilla/goto-meteor here's live demos (you can use zoom in both): http://blackboard.pogoapp.com http://blackboard.pogoapp.com http://meteor-goto.pogoapp.com/ http://meteor-goto.pogoapp.com/ Be sure to check go take a look at the code, or lack thereof - really impressive stuff. Since looking just a few months ago, the whole meteor ecosystem seems to have expanded and matured at a pretty incredible clip. [1]: https://github.com/oortcloud/heroku-buildpack-meteorite https://github.com/oortcloud/heroku-buildpack-meteorite

rayhano 14y ago

Interesting to read such polar views about Meteor. At Wigwamm, we wanted to build a user experience that was simple. A real-time auction and an auction catalogue full of full screen photographs. We discussed at length whether Meteor would allow us to do everything we needed. The conclusion was interesting: if it's not simple, if doing through Meteor is too hard, we probably don't want/need to do it. For us, it's nice to work with technology that genuinely pushes boundaries. Little plug: we're London UK based, so if you're local, love building products that help people and want to build in pure JavaScript/Meteor, please get in touch (@WigwammHQ on twitter)