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Anti-Piracy Group to The Pirate Bay: We Want You To Sue Us

33 points by fraqed 14y ago

darkxanthos 14y ago
Really though, they're announcing this strategy publicly because they really don't want to be sued and are trying to get the Pirate Bay to back down.
- gph 14y ago
  I don't know, presumably they have a lot more money to put into a legal defence. Even if they lost, in the long run the other side would probably bankrupt themselves in the process. And it's doubtful that the judgement against them would be very high. I don't really know how copyright/civil law would work in Finland or wherever the case would be, but I don't know how much lost revenue TPB admins could claim. They'd likely only be able to force them to cease use of their code/likeness, and I suppose an outside chance at recouping lost ad revenue.
  - pimeys 14y ago
    If you lose in court, you pay all the expenses yourself. Both sides'.
    - gph 14y ago
      Guess outside of America that's how it works. Never really looked into it, I just knew that wasn't usually true here in America[1]. [1]http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/attorney-fees-does-losing-side-30337.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/attorney-fees-does-lo...
jamescun 14y ago
I honestly don't think that The Pirate Bay admins will chance rising to this. It is probably a (very obvious) ploy by CIAPC to trick some of TPB's admins out of hiding and put them in a court setting. Rather than rising to the bait with the threat of a lawsuit, they should have laughed, made a joke or two and moved on. I don't think it will be long before the cloned site will be hijacked in some way and turned into a pirate bay proxy or simply nuked into oblivion by the numerous TBP defenders.
- benologist 14y ago
  Is there anyone who genuinely doesn't think the original site creators who still speak for the site and were found liable for it aren't running it just because one day they said that? They lie about a lot of stuff.
  - jacquesm 14y ago
    Yes but that's not proof they're lying about this.
    - bluelu 14y ago
      They could just tell who is running the site then. I bet they are filling their bank accounts on one of the offshore islands and claiming that they are poor...
tuananh 14y ago
> “We are outraged by this behavior. People must understand what is right and wrong. Stealing material like this on the internet is a threat to economies worldwide,” a Pirate Bay spokesman told TorrentFreak. Hilarious!
- likeclockwork 14y ago
  Yeah, they were definitely being facetious.
jacquesm 14y ago
It's a pity they didn't put sarcasm tags around what was said. I'm pretty sure they don't give a hoot about who copies their stuff. On another note if anti piracy groups can pirate they're lowering themselves to the level of their opposition. So they are essentially saying this is ok which could easily come back to bite them in future situations.
- lutze 14y ago
  Lowering themselves? You seem to be under the misapprehension that these people ever held the moral high ground in the first place.
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thisischris 14y ago
The current admins really need to channel their inner anakata for their responses.
stephen_g 14y ago
It's always interesting how content producers and groups like this seem to have so little regard for the copyright of content that is not their own... I liked the one I read about recently, where an anti-piracy ad (which I must have seen a hundred times) used an unlicensed music track [1]. Of course when the artist informed them they would pay him what he is owed, right? No, he had to sue and they tried to get him to settle for a third of what he was owed! 1. http://torrentfreak.com/rights-group-fined-for-not-paying-artist-for-anti-piracy-ad-120717/ http://torrentfreak.com/rights-group-fined-for-not-paying-ar...
- btilly 14y ago
  This happens when you create private law for yourself. You forget that other people might think that it exists for their benefit.
- pasbesoin 14y ago
  "Do as I say, not as I do" I have very little patience left for hypocrisy. (That includes trying -- with mixed results -- to root it out of myself.)
drequivalent 14y ago
TPB got trolled in such an obvious and fat manner? Unbelivable.
pbhjpbhj 14y ago
Can TPB lose? Either it's deemed not to be copyright infringement and support is gained for TPB's position, ie wilful and complete copying is now allowed by legal precedent. Or it's deemed infringing and the judge is obliged to throw the book at the infringers as they campaign for stronger copyright laws. TPB are presumably not acting illegally in Finland in hosting links without hosting content? Can't they just send their lawyers as representatives, particularly as it would be a civil case.

33 points by fraqed 14y ago

Really though, they're announcing this strategy publicly because they really don't want to be sued and are trying to get the Pirate Bay to back down.

gph 14y ago
I don't know, presumably they have a lot more money to put into a legal defence. Even if they lost, in the long run the other side would probably bankrupt themselves in the process. And it's doubtful that the judgement against them would be very high. I don't really know how copyright/civil law would work in Finland or wherever the case would be, but I don't know how much lost revenue TPB admins could claim. They'd likely only be able to force them to cease use of their code/likeness, and I suppose an outside chance at recouping lost ad revenue.
- pimeys 14y ago
  If you lose in court, you pay all the expenses yourself. Both sides'.
  - gph 14y ago
    Guess outside of America that's how it works. Never really looked into it, I just knew that wasn't usually true here in America[1]. [1]http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/attorney-fees-does-losing-side-30337.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/attorney-fees-does-lo...

jamescun 14y ago

I honestly don't think that The Pirate Bay admins will chance rising to this. It is probably a (very obvious) ploy by CIAPC to trick some of TPB's admins out of hiding and put them in a court setting. Rather than rising to the bait with the threat of a lawsuit, they should have laughed, made a joke or two and moved on. I don't think it will be long before the cloned site will be hijacked in some way and turned into a pirate bay proxy or simply nuked into oblivion by the numerous TBP defenders.

benologist 14y ago
Is there anyone who genuinely doesn't think the original site creators who still speak for the site and were found liable for it aren't running it just because one day they said that? They lie about a lot of stuff.
- jacquesm 14y ago
  Yes but that's not proof they're lying about this.
  - bluelu 14y ago
    They could just tell who is running the site then. I bet they are filling their bank accounts on one of the offshore islands and claiming that they are poor...

tuananh 14y ago

> “We are outraged by this behavior. People must understand what is right and wrong. Stealing material like this on the internet is a threat to economies worldwide,” a Pirate Bay spokesman told TorrentFreak. Hilarious!

likeclockwork 14y ago
Yeah, they were definitely being facetious.

jacquesm 14y ago

It's a pity they didn't put sarcasm tags around what was said. I'm pretty sure they don't give a hoot about who copies their stuff. On another note if anti piracy groups can pirate they're lowering themselves to the level of their opposition. So they are essentially saying this is ok which could easily come back to bite them in future situations.

lutze 14y ago
Lowering themselves? You seem to be under the misapprehension that these people ever held the moral high ground in the first place.

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thisischris 14y ago

The current admins really need to channel their inner anakata for their responses.

stephen_g 14y ago

It's always interesting how content producers and groups like this seem to have so little regard for the copyright of content that is not their own... I liked the one I read about recently, where an anti-piracy ad (which I must have seen a hundred times) used an unlicensed music track [1]. Of course when the artist informed them they would pay him what he is owed, right? No, he had to sue and they tried to get him to settle for a third of what he was owed! 1. http://torrentfreak.com/rights-group-fined-for-not-paying-artist-for-anti-piracy-ad-120717/ http://torrentfreak.com/rights-group-fined-for-not-paying-ar...

btilly 14y ago
This happens when you create private law for yourself. You forget that other people might think that it exists for their benefit.
pasbesoin 14y ago
"Do as I say, not as I do" I have very little patience left for hypocrisy. (That includes trying -- with mixed results -- to root it out of myself.)

drequivalent 14y ago

TPB got trolled in such an obvious and fat manner? Unbelivable.

pbhjpbhj 14y ago

Can TPB lose? Either it's deemed not to be copyright infringement and support is gained for TPB's position, ie wilful and complete copying is now allowed by legal precedent. Or it's deemed infringing and the judge is obliged to throw the book at the infringers as they campaign for stronger copyright laws. TPB are presumably not acting illegally in Finland in hosting links without hosting content? Can't they just send their lawyers as representatives, particularly as it would be a civil case.