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Author of the original rant here, funny it became viral and translated to Chinese (and back to English) :) The rant was made as a comment here: http://www.zema
by eranation 14y ago
Author of the original rant here, funny it became viral and translated to Chinese (and back to English) :)
The rant was made as a comment here:
http://www.zemanta.com/blog/i-bet-you-over-engineered-your-startup/#comment-685047168 http://www.zemanta.com/blog/i-bet-you-over-engineered-your-s...
Picked up by a Tilo Mitra:
http://tilomitra.com/the-crazy-world-of-code/ http://tilomitra.com/the-crazy-world-of-code/
And as discussed here in HN before: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4226990 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4226990
The point of it was actually: it's impossible to always keep up anyway so take something you like or already good at and move with it otherwise you'll never get your project done. It's nice to learn new frameworks, and you should, but it's mandatory that by the time you pick up something there will be something else that is considered better / more popular.
(I'm not saying "use Java Applets / Flash / XML+XSLT" just because "you are already good at it", sometimes you must let go of what you know and adapt to change, just don't over-kill it by learning EVERY new technology as it comes out, taking 1 step back is always a good thing)
I think the spirit of it was a bit lost in translation so here is the original text:
> I agree, I can't keep up, I just finished learning backbone.js and now I've found out on HN that it's old news, and I should use ember.js, cross that, it has opinions, I should use Meteor, no, AngularJS, no, Tower.js (on node.js), and for html templates I need handlebars, no mustache, wait, DoT.js is better, hang on, why do I need an HTML parser inside the browser? isn't that what the browser for? so no HTML templates? ok, DOM snippets, fine, Web Components you say? W3C are in the game too? you mean write REGULAR JavaScript like the Google guys? yuck, oh, I just should write it with CofeeScript and it will look ok, not Coffee? Coco? LiveScript? DART? GWT? ok, let me just go back to Ruby on Rails, oh it doesn't scale? Grails? Groovy? Roo? too "Springy?" ok, what about node.js? doesn't scale either?? but I can write client side, server side and mongodb side code in the same language? (but does it have to be JavaScript?) ok, what about PHP, you say it's not really thread safe? they lie?? ok, let me go back to server coding, it's still Java right? no? Lisp? oh it's called Clojure? well, it has a Bridge / protocol buffers / thrift implementation so we can be language agnostic, so we can support our Haskell developers. Or just go with Scala/Lift/Play it's the BEST framework (Foresquare use it, so it has to be good). of course we won't do SOAP and will use only JSON RESTful services cause it's only for banks and Walmart, and god forbid to use a SQL database it will never scale
I've had it, I'm going to outsource this project... they will probably use a wordpress template and copy paste jQuery to get me the same exact result without the headache and in <del>half</del>quarter the price
p.s. it would have been a longer rant today, I have lot of new things to add to it, sadly things didn't get any better: Now I'm trying to choose between yeoman and brunch, coffeescript vs livescript vs typescript, LESS vs Sass vs Scss vs stylus, Haml vs Jasmine vs that weird language called HTML, testacular vs mocha, fixtures vs mocks, RequireJS vs CommonJS, with almonds or without, I started using underscore then figured out it's already "old school" and I need to actually use lo-dash. So I think I'm going to take your advice ;).
- jccodez 14y ago"you'll never get your project done" This, it is about shipping product in the end. You will have a hard time selling an incomplete project. You are solving problems for customers.
- cygwin98 14y agoHi, OP here. Didn't know the existence of your original post, hope that you don't mind my 'unofficial English version', :) I've updated my blog to reference your post and previous discussions. I'm glad that my version isn't too far off. it would have been a longer rant today, I have lot of new things to add to it, sadly it didn't get any better Please do. I would look forward to the newer version.
- eranation 14y ago:)
- Swizec 14y agoAuthor of original post here ... ... this is a crazy trip for a comment to make! And I still think most people over-engineer and over-think their startup tech. Customers don't care what you use, as long as it solves their problem. The rest just helps with recruiting I guess.
- MojoJolo 14y agoSometimes I love over engineering my projects. It helps me hone my skills and keep updated. But I limit my self to one side. E.g. Back end or front end. In my case, it's back end. API and stuffs. I'm also trying to limit my self in using different kinds of language. My current Back end stuff today are Grails for web app, Scala for non web, Redis, memcached, MongoDB. Don't ask me about front end. I'm not updated with it by choice.
- lifeisstillgood 14y agoI am amazed a rant can go English -> Mandarin -> English via half the world's tech forums, and still be recognised by its original author. But what really blows my socks off is how a tech forum in Beijing follows rants from Slovenian blog to a Californian forum and back again. And it actually matters to the Chinese because they liked it as much as we did. Welcome to the new global culture, sharing the same memepool.