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"True, but I think that is is often very strong/odd characters, who are willing to dedicate their life for "big" fights" At what point does one's narcissism be

"True, but I think that is is often very strong/odd characters, who are willing to dedicate their life for "big" fights" At what point does one's narcissism become more than the cause? "Case and point: Not a single relevant leak has reached my attention from all the split-up groups that aimed to do better than Wikileaks" I don't think many of Assange's sincere critics wish for Wikileaks to collapse, they want him to step down from its operations.

richardjordan 14y ago
...so is the alleged narcissism a worse wrong doing than what's being exposed? The only thing protecting Assange from having been bundled into a jet and whisked off to Guantanamo by now is his rather high personal profile. It's not like his enemies don't have a track record here...
- illuminate 14y ago
  "...so is the alleged narcissism a worse wrong doing than what's being exposed?" No, and that's not what was stated. What he was alleged to have done would be a wrong, as are many things Wikileaks covers. Does Wikileaks require Assange to do exactly what they're doing? They don't need such a figurehead. "The only thing protecting Assange from having been bundled into a jet and whisked off to Guantanamo by now is his rather high personal profile. It's not like his enemies don't have a track record here..." The second contradicts the first, there is nothing about his high profile that protects him from being whisked off. Those forces aren't particularly concerned about the media operating independently from the governmental interests.
  - richardjordan 14y ago
    Assange became a cause célèbre in the UK long enough to make it difficult to get him extradited quickly. Doesn't mean he can hold those pressures off forever. The same media which profited from his leaks is the media whose portrait of him you're choosing to accept unless you know him personally. The arguments on here are pretty much exclusively about this alleged personality.
    - illuminate 14y ago
      "The same media which profited from his leaks is the media whose portrait of him you're choosing to accept unless you know him personally" I really have no interest in "media" portrayal, and I certainly don't want to enable their continued "successes", as dim as they are, but I do take sexual assault charges and evasion seriously. The profile makes it easier for him to avoid them and find supporters to fund/house him, but I don't see how it would stop a government from whisking him off if they were able to.

richardjordan 14y ago

...so is the alleged narcissism a worse wrong doing than what's being exposed? The only thing protecting Assange from having been bundled into a jet and whisked off to Guantanamo by now is his rather high personal profile. It's not like his enemies don't have a track record here...

illuminate 14y ago
"...so is the alleged narcissism a worse wrong doing than what's being exposed?" No, and that's not what was stated. What he was alleged to have done would be a wrong, as are many things Wikileaks covers. Does Wikileaks require Assange to do exactly what they're doing? They don't need such a figurehead. "The only thing protecting Assange from having been bundled into a jet and whisked off to Guantanamo by now is his rather high personal profile. It's not like his enemies don't have a track record here..." The second contradicts the first, there is nothing about his high profile that protects him from being whisked off. Those forces aren't particularly concerned about the media operating independently from the governmental interests.
- richardjordan 14y ago
  Assange became a cause célèbre in the UK long enough to make it difficult to get him extradited quickly. Doesn't mean he can hold those pressures off forever. The same media which profited from his leaks is the media whose portrait of him you're choosing to accept unless you know him personally. The arguments on here are pretty much exclusively about this alleged personality.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    "The same media which profited from his leaks is the media whose portrait of him you're choosing to accept unless you know him personally" I really have no interest in "media" portrayal, and I certainly don't want to enable their continued "successes", as dim as they are, but I do take sexual assault charges and evasion seriously. The profile makes it easier for him to avoid them and find supporters to fund/house him, but I don't see how it would stop a government from whisking him off if they were able to.