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I wish this were affecting São Paulo, here we do have a kinda thriving tech industry but if you are earning 60k you are the manager with 20 years of experience.

by speeder 14y ago

I wish this were affecting São Paulo, here we do have a kinda thriving tech industry but if you are earning 60k you are the manager with 20 years of experience. I code mobile games here and get around 20k, and this is already way more than my peers, and don't pay my bills ( and I don't have a car, or a house, a videogame, or even a watch, my most valuable possessions are my glasses and my phone, and the last one I never paid, it was a gift ) I am sure if more SV companies learned how to use telecommuting they would have a decline in costs, as all those third world coders are crazy to get even scraps is SV and work for 40, 50k.

seanmcdirmid 14y ago
So why not move? Ideally, you should compete on a global market. Even an entry level programmer from a good university can do better than that in Beijing.
- speeder 14y ago
  I won't move without a solid offer first. (and not for 50k). I have things to take care here, and if I ever move, I need to be stable enough and have money enough to return here sometimes to see how things are going. I cannot just go adventuring and move without a chance of getting a job first.
  - argonaut 14y ago
    You can see a bit of the chicken-and-egg problem here. You're not willing to move without an offer. Yet your chances of getting an offer are dramatically multiplied if you do move to the Bay Area, even if only for a few months. Telecommuting has a bit of a bad rap at many companies.
    - yen223 14y ago
      As a guy from a different third-world country, I could point out something: travelling to the US is not cheap for us. A flight ticket to San Francisco alone costs me about 1 month's salary, and that's before considering living expenses and the painful 3x currency conversion rate. Visa applications aren't cheap, and is a major pain in the ass to apply for. In other words, I can understand why speeder won't simply up and shift to SF. Simply put, I cannot afford to go the US without a solid job offer.
  - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
    Fair enough. If you are stuck there, you are stuck there and your company probably can get away with underpaying you. You could try to dive into some independent side work like developing good iOS/Androids apps. And Brazil isn't that bad right? Its a nice place to live, maybe the lifestyle is even laidback. There is more to life than earning money and accumulating things.

by speeder 14y ago

seanmcdirmid 14y ago

So why not move? Ideally, you should compete on a global market. Even an entry level programmer from a good university can do better than that in Beijing.

speeder 14y ago
I won't move without a solid offer first. (and not for 50k). I have things to take care here, and if I ever move, I need to be stable enough and have money enough to return here sometimes to see how things are going. I cannot just go adventuring and move without a chance of getting a job first.
- argonaut 14y ago
  You can see a bit of the chicken-and-egg problem here. You're not willing to move without an offer. Yet your chances of getting an offer are dramatically multiplied if you do move to the Bay Area, even if only for a few months. Telecommuting has a bit of a bad rap at many companies.
  - yen223 14y ago
    As a guy from a different third-world country, I could point out something: travelling to the US is not cheap for us. A flight ticket to San Francisco alone costs me about 1 month's salary, and that's before considering living expenses and the painful 3x currency conversion rate. Visa applications aren't cheap, and is a major pain in the ass to apply for. In other words, I can understand why speeder won't simply up and shift to SF. Simply put, I cannot afford to go the US without a solid job offer.
- seanmcdirmid 14y ago
  Fair enough. If you are stuck there, you are stuck there and your company probably can get away with underpaying you. You could try to dive into some independent side work like developing good iOS/Androids apps. And Brazil isn't that bad right? Its a nice place to live, maybe the lifestyle is even laidback. There is more to life than earning money and accumulating things.