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Massive glacier collapse
- raphdg 14y agoThought it was AWS again.
- benburton 14y agoI was actually pretty worried that I'd lost a bunch of archived data for about 30 seconds. Whew!
- cryptoz 14y ago> Whew! You're relieved? How? The implications of the film and the clip you see should be far more worrying and scary than some data loss that you should have a backup of anyway.
- obstacle1 14y agoMy god you're coming across as a zealot here. People are allowed to care about the security of their data, you know. Global warming doesn't stop time and not everyone needs to be working on that problem. Further being relieved about secure data is wholly independent of being worried about global warming; one can be both.
- cryptoz 14y agoWell, the tone of the commeter was "Whew! It's only a video about catastrophic climate change. As long as my stuff is okay, thank heavens". It just seems an absolutely selfish and silly response. I'll try to be less zealot-y. Pretty much every other person here is saying "meh, calm down everybody, not a big deal." Sometimes someone has to be a zealot, you know?
- tjr 14y agoMaybe the not lost archived data in question is research pertaining to avoiding catastrophic climate change problems... :-)
- obstacle1 14y agoFair enough, I just think your cause would be much better served without actively disparaging the people you're trying to win over. It sure is a big deal, agreed, but there's a way to point that out that doesn't minimize everything else someone cares about in the process. More effective, too.
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- cryptoz 14y agoI saw Chasing Ice at the cinema a couple of weeks ago. I went with friends who study adaptation to climate change in the Arctic communities, and all of them, and I too, came out of the movie in a state of minor shock. It's truly incredible how much these intense visuals make this strike home, even for those who are already environmentally aware and focused. It's the kind of movie that solidifies the thoughts I've been having recently: my life absolutely must be about working to mitigate and slow global climate change. Any other career path or choice would be so morally wrong I would have great difficultly living with that decision. Everyone should see this movie.
- purephase 14y agoThanks for reminding me. It's been on my to-do list. This video is simply staggering in it's immensity. For the life of me, it is these events that make me seriously question whether the climate change deniers have ulterior motives. The fact that the calving scale has so dramatically increased in the past 10-20 years is terrifying and how anyone can pass it off without concern is beyond me.
- martinced 14y agoWhat do you mean by "calving scale"? "calving scale" gives about one thousand matches on Google and they don't seem related. I think that the only ulterior motives deniers have is to refuse to face a simple fact: 8 billion people and all the cattle needed to feed them is probably something that earth cannot widthstand for very long. So either we all start eating insects (they are way more environmentally friendly than cattle) or we start limiting birthrate. I know that it is estimated that total world population shall go down by 2100 or so but I'm not sure we can wait that long. One kid per couple. Boom. Problem solved. But who wants to hear that?
- purephase 14y agoWatch the video in parent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_calving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_calving
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- arethuza 14y agoThe BBC had a rather splendid pair of documentaries on glaciers and icebergs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00tvcnx http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00tvcnx The scene where there is a significant calving event on the glacier is pretty awesome....
- SparrowOS 14y agoWhoa, God. God says... rejoice strip sweet-smelling knowingly money denotes spoiled_brat lashest official blest longing ornamenting draught conformably teeth eagerness fast-holding whencesoever drove deluding unchangeableness resting-place serenity asunder fail apostle Upon undergo steep ROFLMAO imperishable Thailand nasty Forum fro assembly I'm_busy haughtiness swine maidens Pusey comedy adulterer 100 despiseth fostering unemployment expense hapless swiftness Small enervated vanities flattering foul salted needful allow leasing exceedingly Hadst lastly how_about fostering proceeded containeth announce shine well-known miracles
- albemuth 14y ago1:57 looks like a frozen whale, does that even happen?
- njharman 14y agoTotally. It made me think this was "fake" and a trailer for "monsters in the ice" or something movie, until, there was just more ice.
- reustle 14y agoI'm glad I have tickets to go see Chasing Ice already. If you don't, you should go watch the trailer.
- ericcholis 14y agoI've had the pleasure of spending some time in (literally) and around a much smaller glacier. My wife and I spent about a week ice climbing on the Lower Coleman Glacier in Washington. We also had the pleasure of hearing and witnessing a huge icefall off one of the faces of Mt. Baker. Imagine the loudest thunder you've ever heard, rolling continually for about 5 minutes. I can only imagine what a fall of this magnitude sounded like in person. One might believe that the earth was splitting in half.
- wiredfool 14y agoI watched this video the first time over iPad speakers. The second time, through good headphones. There's a low rumble and roar that is missed on the smaller speakers. (I should hook up the sub. ) I can't imagine what it must have been like in person.
- MichaelGG 14y agoCan anyone recommend a good book (preferably on Kindle) that explains climate change and our actual scientific knowledge? The issue seems to be so politicized that all sources seem incredibly biased. Sure, there might changes happening, but from history, isn't that what the climate does? It seems that one side portrays it as no big deal, and the other says we'll all die in a few decades. I'm not looking for something telling me how to behave or react, just something that covers how/what we know for certain. Or is the science and understanding required too far out of reach for laymen?
- tlrobinson 14y agoI would also love to know this. I stopped paying attention to the debate because everything I was reading (admittedly not much, and mostly mainstream stuff) seemed highly politicized one way or the other.
- moultano 14y agoHere are the resources realclimate.org suggests. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/ http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-... For the details of the science, they suggest just reading the IPCC reports. Here's a faq from the IPCC that is basic but thorough. https://www.ipcc-wg1.unibe.ch/publications/wg1-ar4/ar4-wg1-faqs.pdf https://www.ipcc-wg1.unibe.ch/publications/wg1-ar4/ar4-wg1-f...
- pdonis 14y agoI would not recommend reading realclimate.org without also reading climate audit and watts up with that: http://climateaudit.org/ http://climateaudit.org/ http://wattsupwiththat.com/ http://wattsupwiththat.com/
- scarmig 14y agoThey're not really comparable. Real Climate is written by academic climatologists. Its last five non-open thread posts were: 1) The Greenland melt 2) What to study? 3) Sea-level rise: Where we stand at the start of 2013 — Part 2 4) Sea-level rise: Where we stand at the start of 2013 5) On Sensitivity Part II: Constraining Cloud Feedback without Cloud Observations Climate Audit is written by a retired mathematician/mining prospector. Last 5 posts: 1) More on Acton’s “Investigation” 2) Acton and “Natural Person Powers” 3) Acton and Muir Russell at Tribunal 4) Duke C Punctures More Attempted UEA Obtuseness 5) More Tricks from East Anglia Watts Up With That, written by a former television meteorologist/newscaster: 1) The Revkin-Gavin debate on lower climate sensitivity 2) NPR finally gets it – does this signal an end to the polar bear as poster bear for global warming? 3) The yearly lukewarm report 4) Here there be Dragons 5) New paper by Richard Tol – Targets for global climate policy: An Overview I think that speaks for itself.
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- snowwrestler 14y agoThis is incredible footage, but the amounts of ice in this video (while massive to us) are tiny drops in the bucket of the global ice balance. I'm uncomfortable when outlet glacier calving events like this--which are very common, geologically speaking--are used as proof of climate change, or to advocate for action on climate change. They are spectacular looking, but I think it's intellectually dishonest. Outlet glaciers advance and retreat constantly, based largely on local climate variations. The best proof that humans are affecting the climate is the huge bulk of rigorous scientific data that has been collected and analyzed for decades. It's rarely cool-looking, but it's right.
- Shivetya 14y agoI wonder if events in Greenland are similar to those playing out in the Antarctic where movement of under ice water sources is causing fractures or movement in the ice sheets. I remember reading stories recently about Lake Vostok and the drilling going on there. One item of note was the the location of the under ice water was not a constant and that its shifting could or is affecting the ice sheets above it. Given that Greenland has a bit more volcanic activity than the Antarctic what role does that play?
- arethuza 14y ago"Given that Greenland has a bit more volcanic activity than the Antarctic" Do you have any links for that? There is a fair amount of volcanic activity around Antartica and I've never heard of anything on Greenland.
- Shivetya 14y agohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21231380 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21231380 is the article I read before, specifically the paragraph above a picture of the landmass which starts with the words "Indeed, satellite measurements" The water moves underneath the sheets causing them to move, this movement has to be part of the reason if not the entire reason sheets fracture. I am far more the believer that was is under the ice sheet has more affect than what is above it
- sethbannon 14y agoAs the site is down, here's a direct link to the youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
- Hilyin 14y agogoogle cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:unofficialnetworks.com/collapse-video-glacial-size-city-116670/&ion=1 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:unoffic...
- junto 14y agoAt 1m50s a huge piece of ancient blue ice rises, reminiscent of a blue whale breaching from the ocean depths. Beautiful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU&t=1m50s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU&t=1m50s