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You are allow to do what ever the fuck you want until you die just don't expect me to give you money for doing what ever the fuck you want. As I too am doing w
by lotu 14y ago
You are allow to do what ever the fuck you want until you die just don't expect me to give you money for doing what ever the fuck you want. As I too am doing what every the fuck I want, which happens to include only giving money to people who do something useful for me.
- sliverstorm 14y agoThis is a crucial part of the plan neo-hippies seem to forget
- bsenftner 14y agoYes, this is the specific issue separating liberals from conservatives in the US fucking A.
- jdotjdot 14y agoI think you do that very real debate a disservice by minimizing the argument in this way. You know that's not the actual argument and it helps no one to propagate falsehoods.
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- tossacct 14y agoI think it is a good thing that individuals control their own money, and can choose to give it to whomever they want. Can we agree that people with no money will starve to death unless they use violence to take food from someone, or the government uses violence to take food from someone on their behalf? The foodstamps of this great depression are equivalent to the soup lines of the old great depression: they prevent people from robbing, looting, and starving in the streets.
- yaix 14y agoI don't know in the US, but here in Europe the gov't does not need to "use violence" for that. It is pretty much general consensus that people with no monies should get money (not "foodstamps") from the gov't, payed by our taxes, so they can live with dignity, independently of what the reason for their unemployment / poverty might be.
- vidarh 14y agoWhen Americans use the "use violence" argument, your argument doesn't work as a response, I'm afraid. It is a libertarian tactic of assuming that anything the government does they don't like is use of violence, except for government protection of artificial property rights which is somehow usually magically exempt.
- tossacct 14y agoJust because naive libertarian polemicists use an argument doesn't make that argument incorrect. >>>It is a libertarian tactic of assuming that anything the government does they don't like is use of violence, except for government protection of artificial property rights which is somehow usually magically exempt. In my experience, libertarians universally agree with me when I say "artificial property rights are completely protected and propped up by the government's threat of violence". It is their favorite part of the how governments operate, because they do not recognize the benefits of collectivism (socialism, communism, prisoners dilemma, tragedy of the commons). Notice how I have not told you anything about my personal political views.
- StavrosK 14y agoHealthcare, too, and jobs, if possible. It's not working very well here in Greece, due to the economy, but we still try.
- tossacct 14y agoI agree that the governments typically don't need to "use violence". Do you agree that the "threat of violence" is sufficient? I can't speak to Europe as a whole or the specific country you are from. In the US, you can be put in jail for non-payment of taxes. We have good old debtors' prisons. Also, if you are hungry and take food that does not "belong to you", there are certain criminal laws that can result in imprisonment. How do European governments deal with non-payment of taxes and the taking of food? By the way, US "foodstamps" are now called "EBT" and you get a normal looking debit card that has certain restrictions on how it can be used (no buying shoes, only food ingredients).