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I think it's important to understand the Chinese perspective on this issue, if only to see why they do these things. Start with this: http://www.nytimes.com/20
by temphn 14y ago
I think it's important to understand the Chinese perspective on this issue, if only to see why they do these things. Start with this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html?pagewante...
U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings
Even as the United States poured billions of dollars into
foreign military programs and anti-terrorism campaigns, a
small core of American government-financed organizations
were promoting democracy in authoritarian Arab states. ...
The United States’ democracy-building campaigns played a
bigger role in fomenting protests than was previously
known, with key leaders of the movements having been
trained by the Americans in campaigning, organizing through
new media tools and monitoring elections. ...
Today the work of these groups is among the reasons that
governments in turmoil claim that Western meddling was
behind the uprisings, with some officials noting that
leaders like Ms. Qadhi were trained and financed by the
United States. Diplomatic cables report how American
officials frequently assured skeptical governments that the
training was aimed at reform, not promoting revolutions.
and then this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703560404576188981829658442.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870356040457618...
Is China Next?
Over the course of three short months, popular uprisings
have toppled regimes in Tunisia and Egypt, sparked a civil
war in Libya and created unrest in other parts of the
Middle East. They also have raised a question in many
people's minds: Are all authoritarian regimes now
threatened by this new democratic wave? In particular, is
China, a rising superpower, vulnerable to these forces?
Whether or not you believe the Arab Spring actually resulted in good outcomes, the salient fact is that US funded groups started the revolutions and prominent neocons (like Fukuyama in that WSJ article) were/are calling for similar actions in China.
This is why the Chinese government feels that it is under attack by the United States, and it does not see a line between NGOs, the NYT/WSJ, and the US government, which they believe are working in concert to discredit their leaders and foment violent revolution in the name of democracy, as they did in the Middle East. Is this paranoid? Well, it's now hard to gainsay the USG/NGO connection given those articles, and in general even the NYT does tend to side with the USG against China or Arab regimes (most famously with Judith Miller).
From this worldview, China thinks of this as a conflict between one of their intelligence agencies and one of ours. It's not obvious that they are wrong in that assessment.
- jebblue 14y ago>> Whether or not you believe the Arab Spring actually resulted in good outcomes, the salient fact is that US funded groups started the revolutions and prominent neocons (like Fukuyama in that WSJ article) were/are calling for similar actions in China. This is why the Chinese government feels that it is under attack by the United States The Chinese don't give a rat's hoot about the Arabs. They attack American computer systems for obvious reasons, obvious to most of us.
- rationalthink 14y agojebblue, I believe the point of the paragraph you highlighted is that China feels it's under attack by the United States, not that it cares about the Arabs.
- jebblue 14y agoMaybe I should have highlighted the whole drivel of a comment ... my point ... remains what I wrote. America trying to teach Arabs about the virtues of Democracy is +not+ why China attacks American computer systems.
- natrius 14y agoNo one said what you're disagreeing with. Try reading the comment again.
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- knowtheory 14y agoYou are also categorically incorrect. The Chinese central government most certainly cares about Arabs, as they share a disputed border with several majority Muslim countries, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. Moreover they have repressed domestic minority populations who are predominantly Muslim. The extent to which there are Islamic unification or nationalist movements (which are often tied in with movements in the middle east), the Chinese government very much does care about unrest amongst Chinese muslim populations.