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Would you've considered using the money you've generated to launch a local devbootcamp to teach yourself among 'pros'? In these 10 years you haven't stayed out

by jjsz 14y ago

Would you've considered using the money you've generated to launch a local devbootcamp to teach yourself among 'pros'? In these 10 years you haven't stayed out of touch since you know EDP, some people are stuck in OOP. Putting up a MVP together and using those connections you would've gained in the bootcamp to find a partner sounds better than the loner route. That's what I'm assuming. I lurk here, but comments like these puts reality down in a summary I can comprehend. I wish there was a shortcut to all of this. You know finally landing on a legit niche and outsourcing it. Outsourcing can be an art for people like us who aren't pros. [Edit] One of you guys in here should launch an old school way of learning how to hack hub. For Generation Y.

alaskamiller 14y ago
A lot of bootcamps are popping up in the bay area. To me it's weird and speaks more about how broken our immigration laws are than that the bootcamps are fulfilling a market niche. There are huge leaps between the introductory levels (covered by CodeAcademy or Udemy reinventing the ...for Dummies series of the 90's) to the intermediate levels to the expert Google/Apple/Facebook levels (trained by the traditional college systems or just talented enough to self-learn). That intermediate level is a big opportunity and I can see the pitch of the bootcamps being able to launch candidates from intro levels to get as close to the intermediate level as possible. Yet, that's a big jump. Things like knowing about message queues, tasks queues, server provisioning, or creating REST APIs are still a lot of information to learn. If I were a funded business organization my options are to: - hire internationally and relocate them (thus far expensive) - setup offshore (expensive but cheaper) - hire a 12-weeker (cheap) In my experience of working at big corps and startups, there's just not enough introductory work to go around to make hiring a 12-weeker worthwhile. It's even worse on the startup scale since there's just not enough money to keep a newbie around long enough to make good use of them or provide technical training. Not to mention how often people jump from companies to companies these days and OTJ training just doesn't work anymore. I don't know how to fix that. I keep hearing that DevBootcamps are pretty successful at placing people into work though I would love to have a deep dive with the employers to know what's going on because to me they just don't seem efficient enough.
- joshdotsmith 14y ago
  I'm working directly with a DevBootcamp grad and would be happy to talk about the experience some.
  - jyu 14y ago
    In what capacity are you working with the devbootcamp grad? What kind of hiring / working experiences have you had with other developers? On a surface glance, it seems like you develop rails MVP's via coder.ly?
    - joshdotsmith 14y ago
      In this case, I'm building out a Rails MVP for a client wherein I'm involved in the short term. I'm pairing with the DevBootcamp grad and teaching him my process as we go and assigning smaller tasks to him. In that sense he's a very junior developer, and I work as both a consultant hacking away on product and a trainer. It's still early, but it's working well so far. I've worked as product lead or product manager in small and mid-sized companies and have had to hire developers in PHP, .NET, and Rails shops. And yes, I've been trying to focus on Rails as of late.
      - jjsz 14y ago
        [Edit] Nevermind. Found answer: http://ventureforamerica.org/ http://ventureforamerica.org/ An informal DevBootcamp-like fellowship like the one above is the solution for some Gen Y kids. They can properly contribute to https://www.hackerschool.com/ https://www.hackerschool.com/ and cut formal education time.
- jfarmer 14y ago
  Hey Alaska, I'm Jesse, one of the co-founders of Dev Bootcamp (http://devbootcamp.com http://devbootcamp.com). Happy to answer any questions here or via email (jesse@devbootcamp.com). Here are some employer-centric things worth reading, from companies that have hired our grads. Exec (http://iamexec.com/blog/your-credentials-are-worthless-here http://iamexec.com/blog/your-credentials-are-worthless-here) TapJoy (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4414594 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4414594) From a fall student now at Ouya (http://dmragone-at-dbc.tumblr.com/post/39338810976/thank-you-dev-bootcamp http://dmragone-at-dbc.tumblr.com/post/39338810976/thank-you...) I don't want to hijack this thread, so happy to talk here or elsewhere if you're interested!
mylittlepony 14y ago
OOP and EDP are not mutually exclusive, like someone has already said.

by jjsz 14y ago

alaskamiller 14y ago

A lot of bootcamps are popping up in the bay area. To me it's weird and speaks more about how broken our immigration laws are than that the bootcamps are fulfilling a market niche. There are huge leaps between the introductory levels (covered by CodeAcademy or Udemy reinventing the ...for Dummies series of the 90's) to the intermediate levels to the expert Google/Apple/Facebook levels (trained by the traditional college systems or just talented enough to self-learn). That intermediate level is a big opportunity and I can see the pitch of the bootcamps being able to launch candidates from intro levels to get as close to the intermediate level as possible. Yet, that's a big jump. Things like knowing about message queues, tasks queues, server provisioning, or creating REST APIs are still a lot of information to learn. If I were a funded business organization my options are to: - hire internationally and relocate them (thus far expensive) - setup offshore (expensive but cheaper) - hire a 12-weeker (cheap) In my experience of working at big corps and startups, there's just not enough introductory work to go around to make hiring a 12-weeker worthwhile. It's even worse on the startup scale since there's just not enough money to keep a newbie around long enough to make good use of them or provide technical training. Not to mention how often people jump from companies to companies these days and OTJ training just doesn't work anymore. I don't know how to fix that. I keep hearing that DevBootcamps are pretty successful at placing people into work though I would love to have a deep dive with the employers to know what's going on because to me they just don't seem efficient enough.

joshdotsmith 14y ago
I'm working directly with a DevBootcamp grad and would be happy to talk about the experience some.
- jyu 14y ago
  In what capacity are you working with the devbootcamp grad? What kind of hiring / working experiences have you had with other developers? On a surface glance, it seems like you develop rails MVP's via coder.ly?
  - joshdotsmith 14y ago
    In this case, I'm building out a Rails MVP for a client wherein I'm involved in the short term. I'm pairing with the DevBootcamp grad and teaching him my process as we go and assigning smaller tasks to him. In that sense he's a very junior developer, and I work as both a consultant hacking away on product and a trainer. It's still early, but it's working well so far. I've worked as product lead or product manager in small and mid-sized companies and have had to hire developers in PHP, .NET, and Rails shops. And yes, I've been trying to focus on Rails as of late.
    - jjsz 14y ago
      [Edit] Nevermind. Found answer: http://ventureforamerica.org/ http://ventureforamerica.org/ An informal DevBootcamp-like fellowship like the one above is the solution for some Gen Y kids. They can properly contribute to https://www.hackerschool.com/ https://www.hackerschool.com/ and cut formal education time.
jfarmer 14y ago
Hey Alaska, I'm Jesse, one of the co-founders of Dev Bootcamp (http://devbootcamp.com http://devbootcamp.com). Happy to answer any questions here or via email (jesse@devbootcamp.com). Here are some employer-centric things worth reading, from companies that have hired our grads. Exec (http://iamexec.com/blog/your-credentials-are-worthless-here http://iamexec.com/blog/your-credentials-are-worthless-here) TapJoy (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4414594 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4414594) From a fall student now at Ouya (http://dmragone-at-dbc.tumblr.com/post/39338810976/thank-you-dev-bootcamp http://dmragone-at-dbc.tumblr.com/post/39338810976/thank-you...) I don't want to hijack this thread, so happy to talk here or elsewhere if you're interested!

mylittlepony 14y ago

OOP and EDP are not mutually exclusive, like someone has already said.