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Anyone running Windows instances on EC2 will tell you that a 30 GB EBS partition only gives you around 10 GB of usable space. Windows takes up a lot of space (1

Anyone running Windows instances on EC2 will tell you that a 30 GB EBS partition only gives you around 10 GB of usable space. Windows takes up a lot of space (15 GB for 32-bit and 20 GB for 64-bit) even before apps get involved. I remember when the original iPhone debuted, I was completely SHOCKED that Apple was able to reduce the footprint of OS X so dramatically. A 8 GB phone still gave you 6.5 GB of free space. Then with the release of Snow Leopard, Apple more than halved the size of the space required to install OS X.

nightski 14y ago
It is not that Microsoft can't shrink the size of Windows. In fact that is exactly what they did with Windows RT. The problem is on the Surface Pro product they are including compatibility with full Win32 and have to supply all the extra cruft that entails. So people want to run all the native apps like Photoshop, but then complain when it takes too much space :P
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  Windows RT supports Win32, you just can't execute any non-whitelisted binary. Windows RT has Notepad, Calculator, Explorer. All Win32 apps.
  - TsiCClawOfLight 14y ago
    AFAIK WinRT isn't windows. It's a Metro-Style ARM OS with Windows Branding.
    - kyberias 14y ago
      Well, how do you define "Windows"? Windows RT (not WinRT!) is ARM based Windows that can only run "Metro-Style" apps. With the exception of Office that comes preinstalled on Surface RT. It still has some familiar features like the desktop, command prompt, Explorer, like normal Windows OS but you can't install any desktop software.
      - ConceptJunkie 14y ago
        So it's like using Windows without the benefit of the solitary advantage of actually using Windows.
    - cdh 14y ago
      That's not an entirely fair description. Windows RT is a real Windows 8 installation, but running on ARM, and restricted to running only executables signed by Microsoft.
    - wmf 14y ago
      Windows RT is built from the same source code as Windows 8 and virtually all Windows 8 features are there.
  - sfont 14y ago
    To my knowledge Windows RT is only 32 bit at this time. The system utilities like explorer, calculator, paint, etc on 64 bit systems are 64 bit applications.
- Zirro 14y ago
  Windows RT is not a shrunken version of Windows as we used to know it. It's a new OS, created to run on ARM, the only similarity to previous Windows versions being it's name. Shrinking Windows means finding a way of reducing or removing the "cruft" you mention. EDIT: It appears my initial sources were incorrect. Feel free to downvote me, I should have checked a few more places before writing my post.
  - kyberias 14y ago
    Windows RT is a ARM build of the Windows operating system as we know it. It even has the familiar desktop but it is closed to run only Microsoft Office (on Surface RT tablet). Users may only install "Metro-style" apps. It is shrunken to include only those components of Windows that Office requires. But one can still start the familiar Command Prompt, Windows (File) Explorer etc. It's very much the familiar Windows we all know.
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nightski 14y ago

It is not that Microsoft can't shrink the size of Windows. In fact that is exactly what they did with Windows RT. The problem is on the Surface Pro product they are including compatibility with full Win32 and have to supply all the extra cruft that entails. So people want to run all the native apps like Photoshop, but then complain when it takes too much space :P

MatthewPhillips 14y ago
Windows RT supports Win32, you just can't execute any non-whitelisted binary. Windows RT has Notepad, Calculator, Explorer. All Win32 apps.
- TsiCClawOfLight 14y ago
  AFAIK WinRT isn't windows. It's a Metro-Style ARM OS with Windows Branding.
  - kyberias 14y ago
    Well, how do you define "Windows"? Windows RT (not WinRT!) is ARM based Windows that can only run "Metro-Style" apps. With the exception of Office that comes preinstalled on Surface RT. It still has some familiar features like the desktop, command prompt, Explorer, like normal Windows OS but you can't install any desktop software.
    - ConceptJunkie 14y ago
      So it's like using Windows without the benefit of the solitary advantage of actually using Windows.
  - cdh 14y ago
    That's not an entirely fair description. Windows RT is a real Windows 8 installation, but running on ARM, and restricted to running only executables signed by Microsoft.
  - wmf 14y ago
    Windows RT is built from the same source code as Windows 8 and virtually all Windows 8 features are there.
- sfont 14y ago
  To my knowledge Windows RT is only 32 bit at this time. The system utilities like explorer, calculator, paint, etc on 64 bit systems are 64 bit applications.
Zirro 14y ago
Windows RT is not a shrunken version of Windows as we used to know it. It's a new OS, created to run on ARM, the only similarity to previous Windows versions being it's name. Shrinking Windows means finding a way of reducing or removing the "cruft" you mention. EDIT: It appears my initial sources were incorrect. Feel free to downvote me, I should have checked a few more places before writing my post.
- kyberias 14y ago
  Windows RT is a ARM build of the Windows operating system as we know it. It even has the familiar desktop but it is closed to run only Microsoft Office (on Surface RT tablet). Users may only install "Metro-style" apps. It is shrunken to include only those components of Windows that Office requires. But one can still start the familiar Command Prompt, Windows (File) Explorer etc. It's very much the familiar Windows we all know.
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