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Sublime Text 3 Beta

589 points by conorh 14y ago

pretoriusB 14y ago
Wow! Does that man ever sleep? And I thought 2 development has slowed down after release (sparse new dev builds etc). We'll have Sublime Text 3 before Textmate 2 beta 2.
- tortilla 14y ago
  Wow. I was thinking the same. What a great surprise.
- swah 14y ago
  But its pretty much ST2...
- JesseObrien 14y ago
  It did slow down, and now he's charging everyone for a point release. It's not in your head.
RobSim 14y ago
I was getting worried development was dead because of no blog posts since before the summer, great news!
- bsg75 14y ago
  JPS could do a better job of keeping in touch with the community, if only to post "I am still alive" from time to time. So many similar projects have dies on the vine that when an author goes very quiet for an extended period of time, its a bit troublesome.
arrowgunz 14y ago
That is such a great news. Can't wait to try out the indexed Goto Definition feature. The current implementation is not so great. Hoping this will be improved with the new version.
thejosh 14y ago
Sublime 2 is already perfect, I'm going to be very impressed with how 3 is going to go.. I'm also amused that he's now restricting the ST3 BETA to registered users only, where ST2 had a long BETA period.
- epo 14y ago
  I bet he wasn't amused by the number of ST2 users who got the ST2 beta and were using it without having got round to paying, in fact I'd bet this was the majority. The trouble with honour systems is that not enough people are honourable.
forrestthewoods 14y ago
Goto definition and goto symbol? Oh my! Quick test and it works fairly well already. Definitely some enhancements I want (text preview) but I can already tell this will be a glorious upgrade.
- DigitalJack 14y ago
  I've had a good experience using ctags with ST2. Even on windows.
  - cnp 14y ago
    Can't quite figure out this goto definition thing, though of course I'm trying it using a dynamic language, JavaScript. Was praying he worked some secret SublimeText magic into it :/
    - jmandzik 14y ago
      I just tried it out on my client and server side JS projects. Cmd+Shift+R and type the name of your favorite function. Its pretty damn fast.
- nimrody 14y ago
  What about searching for all callers of a function? This has been available (using cscope) on VIM and Emacs for ages.
jacques_chester 14y ago
> OSX: 10.7 or later is required Looks like I might have to bite the upgrade bullet this year.
- threepointone 14y ago
  I feel you man. I've been stubbornly sticking to Snow Leopard myself, it works great with my late 2008 MBP.
  - jacques_chester 14y ago
    I'm also holding out for a Mac Pro bump that isn't a pisstake. So I guess I'll bite a few bullets at once.
    - niggler 14y ago
      Don't hold your breath -- I felt the same way about xserve before Apple shocked us with the axing of the server line.
      - jacques_chester 14y ago
        I am certainly concerned that they might give it the official arse. The only thing that gives me hope is that the Pro fits a small but important niche in the overall ecosystem: a system better suited for the developers of iOS applications than the iMac is.
        Zr40 14y ago
        What does the Mac Pro offer for iOS developers that the iMac does not?
        jacques_chester 14y ago
        More. Of everything. More cores, more RAM, more GPU grunt to drive more screens.
zopticity 14y ago
On a related note, check out the top 10 sublime text plugins: http://www.henriquebarroso.com/my-top-10sublime-2-plugins/ http://www.henriquebarroso.com/my-top-10sublime-2-plugins/ Some of my favorites are there! If you haven't done so, check it out too!
- thejosh 14y ago
  Yeah but this is Python 3, so not many will work with ST3.
  - tiedemann 14y ago
    Moving to 3 from 2 is a no-brainer most of the time. http://docs.python.org/dev/library/2to3.html http://docs.python.org/dev/library/2to3.html
Steveism 14y ago
I love the addition of better pane management. With a few slick keyboard shortcuts I think this sounds like a nice improvement to working with multiple files in a project. If it's implemented in a similar way to my beloved tmux, I'll be loving this feature.
scottbartell 14y ago
> The price for a Sublime Text license key has increased by $11 to $70, the first price rise in Sublime Text’s five year history That's a pretty big jump. Not saying it's not worth it.
- dorianj 14y ago
  I was thinking the opposite. I'm glad he's charging for upgrades, and charging a decent price for something some developers use all day everyday. I hope this will enable him to continue developing ST. I'm growing fairly dependent on plugins, though -- I hope the new API isn't too hard for plugin devs to upgrade. Although with most plugins hosted on Github these days, compat is just a pull request away.
  - scottbartell 14y ago
    So you don't think a ~640% pricing increase rather large? I'm not saying the software isn't worth $70. But relative to it's previous price, I think it's a pretty significant increase. Edit: My mistake - I just can't read. It was an $11 increase in price.
    - sebilasse 14y ago
      it went from 59$ to 70$
    - bertzzie 14y ago
      It's increased BY 11$, not FROM 11$. Certainly not 640%.
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xargs12 14y ago
$30 for an upgrade seems a tad rich.
- jowiar 14y ago
  Note the faster development process of Sublime as compared with TM2 (which was to be a free upgrade). The promise of cash works wonders.
- dangrossman 14y ago
  More like $20 after you write it off on your taxes. Seems like a steal to me. Intuit wants $170 to upgrade QuickBooks, Adobe wants $200 to upgrade Photoshop, and this little text editor adds more to my bottom line productivity than either.
- lessnonymous 14y ago
  Ridiculously cheap really
- johnconroy 14y ago
  $30 is peanuts for a productivity tool you use professionally
pdknsk 14y ago
> Linux: .deb files are provided I wonder if this also means official repositories.
- vacipr 14y ago
  It will probably be in the Software Center once it gets out of beta.
rogerbinns 14y ago
My pet peeve with editors is how they handle files changing underneath them. I do this regularly enough (eg I might make a quick change using vi, source control update), there could be ssh or sshfs involved, or another tool might be better for doing whatever it is that I wanted. Emacs has been the only editor that has never lost a change for me. Whenever you try to make a modification it checks the underlying file is as expected, and tells you if not. I tried SL2 and it quite happily ignored the fact that the file had changed. I'm also evaluating AppCode and it has perhaps the worst behaviour - it silently updates the editor window. But some of the time it doesn't notice the change and hence overwrites it. Consequently you can't trust the editor. gedit also notices changes proactively (compared to emacs' reactively) but I don't use it regularly.
- Stealth- 14y ago
  Vim produces a warning whenever you focus on the window, asking if you want to keep your current work or load the changed file. If you keep your work, it reminds you yet again if you attempt to save over the changed file, just in case.
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- lessnonymous 14y ago
  Wow .. wouldn't it be nice to get the diff lines highlighted in ST3. Then you get theirs/mine option on each line (with an 'all' option of course). Surely not hard to implement (if it's easy to say, it's easy to code, right??)
  - thejosh 14y ago
    Considering the massive API changes (out of process etc) with the API this should be an awesome plugin!
  - jskinner 14y ago
    You can find out the (highlighted) differences between the in-memory buffer and the on disk version one via "Show Unsaved Changes" on the context menu.
swdunlop 14y ago
"API: Upgraded from Python 2.6 to Python 3.3" Oh god, I've got some plugin fixing to do..
- swdunlop 14y ago
  Case in point, right off the bat.. Package Control's print statements are going to have to go and urllib2 was deprecated. :)
  - wbond 14y ago
    I started work prepping for Python 3 a little while ago at https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_source https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_..., however the actual Python 3 changes are in progress and have yet to be committed.
    - swdunlop 14y ago
      Didn't intend to throw rocks about not being ported, yet. :) Installing Package Control is the natural first step after installing Sublime Text.
      - wbond 14y ago
        I didn't take it that way, just wanted to let everyone know that I've been working on it! :-)
- xentronium 14y ago
  How much effort is required to maintain the same code base compatible between 2.6 and 3.3? Non-python guy here.
  - swdunlop 14y ago
    Python's "2to3" utility helps a lot with the mechanical parts, like spotting renamed modules or print statements. After that, it's a chore of hunting down small semantic changes involving strings. Since everything in Sublime Text should be using the same flavor of string, at least that part should be straightforwards.
lemieux 14y ago
Is it just me or Package Control doesn't work on it?
- teamonkey 14y ago
  It's strange to me that Package Control isn't integrated into the core for v3.0, given its usefulness and popularity.
- Hovertruck 14y ago
  Probably due to the upgrade to Python 3.
  - lemieux 14y ago
    Right. I just figured.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Probably a result of the move to Python 3 for the plugin api?
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- wbond 14y ago
  Not yet. I started prepping for the port to Python 3 a bit ago at https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_source https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_..., but the actual Python 3 changes are still in progress and not pushed (for the sake of not spoiling Jon's surprise).
  - willtheperson 14y ago
    Has there been any talk about merging Package Control into the app out of the box for v3? When I tell people how much I love ST2, Package Control is definitely responsible for some of that love.
Stealth- 14y ago
Coming from someone who has never used or tried Sublime Text, how does this compare to Vim in general? It's taken quite a while to grow familiar with Vim, is it worth the learning curve to ditch it now and try Sublime? Are the two really that different? A lot of what I'm seeing looks like things that can be done in Vim, but I might be missing something.
- dmix 14y ago
  I'm a vim/textmate user and I found sublimes UX to be lacking polish and the UI overall needed work. I like textmates uniform OSX style and VIMs uniform terminal style, using the "Tomorrow" theme on both [1]. Although I'm also a part designer so the aesthetics matter to me as much as functionality. If you're measuring functionality I can't imagine sublimes better than VIM. [1] https://github.com/chriskempson/tomorrow-theme https://github.com/chriskempson/tomorrow-theme
  - cowsaysoink 14y ago
    If you didn't like the UI you could install Soda theme: https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme/ https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme/
    - dmix 14y ago
      I've installed the Tomorrow theme in Sublime which I love in txtmate/VIM and still wasn't a fan.
      - cowsaysoink 14y ago
        Soda is a UI theme not a color scheme.
        dmix 14y ago
        Interesting. I'll have to check sublime out again when version 3 comes out.
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Andrex 14y ago
Finally, .deb for Linux! Seriously almost makes it worth it just on its own.
- JesseObrien 14y ago
  ST2 has been in the Debian repo's for a loong time. I assume others have packaged it for the rest of the *buntu's and whatnot.
georgemcbay 14y ago
I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. It is a shame because I like the editor a lot, but if it doesn't work on all the platforms I use it ultimately has zero value to me.
- forrestthewoods 14y ago
  Why do you need ST to be involved in building? I use ST for all text editing and then click the build button where ever it may lie - python script file, Xcode, or VisualStudio. You do lose the ability to jump to the exact line an error is on which is a mild nuisance but nearly enough to make me stop using ST.
  - marcusf 14y ago
    I think you're reading that wrong. OP asks for a ST build for Linux/ARM (i.e. an executable that works on that platform).
    - forrestthewoods 14y ago
      ...I get what I deserve for posting at 3am. I am an idiot. Thanks for the clarification. :)
- pretoriusB 14y ago
  >I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. Damn! There goes the whole of the Linux/ARM community!
  - richo 14y ago
    Wow that's a helpful response :/ ARM devices are happening.. without having seen your codebase I can't speak for how hard it'd be to build for a new target, but given that you're targeting win32 and posixy systems already it seems achievable. Wouldn't you much rather be the badass that works everywhere than snrk at a growing niche?
adharmad 14y ago
"When 3.0 is released, upgrades will be available for $30, or $15 for users who have purchased recently." Why different prices based on when the purchase date?
- xaa 14y ago
  So that people feel less screwed about the fact that they are paying for the same product repeatedly.
  - SquareWheel 14y ago
    I bought it when Sublime Text 2 came out of Beta, which wasn't all that long ago, was it? As somebody that very rarely buys tools, it's hard not to feel a little incensed.
    - toast76 14y ago
      It's $30. What sort of development are you doing that isn't worth $30 for the single tool that allows you to do it? I can't imagine carpenters are incensed when Ryobi brings out a new $300 drill. You either buy the new drill, or you keep the old one. Nobody expects new hardware for free, why software?
      - ianstormtaylor 14y ago
        Completely agree. If you don't need it, don't buy it. It's that simple. You can't shell out $30 for one of the most important parts of your development environment?
      - ok_craig 14y ago
        If you have an old drill and buy a new one, you own an old drill and a new drill. If you have old software and update it, you only have the new software. In the first case, the value of your goods and of their use to you is more than just one drill. In the second case, you end up paying more than the price of the newest software, for just the newest software. From this, one could make the argument that the most fair upgrade price would be $11 - the difference between the old and new software.
nexpro 14y ago
Hope to support Chinese input in Linux
hcarvalhoalves 14y ago
Are these changes really worth the "3.0" tag? Goto to symbol is great, but all other bullet points taste like what I expected 2 to have once it left beta (basically, speed and not letting plugins crash my session). Isn't this a clever way to make users buy into a paid upgrade for a stable version of an editor they already bought?
- kyrra 14y ago
  The editor was already pretty stable, but maybe not the plugins, which are optional. I'd agree that the price is a bit high to upgrade, but for people like me who didn't own it yet, now is a good time to buy.
  - ajanuary 14y ago
    But if you don't think this upgrade is worth it, do you want to invest in a product that is likely to make you pay for upgrades you don't think are worth it in the future? [Not that I'm saying this upgrade isn't worth it]
- robryan 14y ago
  Even if it is, I am more than happy to put down another $30 for it. I get that much value from it daily.
  - thaumaturgy 14y ago
    Yep, my thoughts exactly. Sublime is one of the few pieces of software that I rely on that has not only never let me down (so far!), but has really pleasantly surprised me on several occasions, saving my ass when I thought I'd just lost a lot of work.
    - just_testing 14y ago
      Would you care to give some examples? I am genuinely curious!
tomlu 14y ago
I am disappointed to see that Vintage mode hasn't really been touched at all for this edition. It's what is holding myself (and likely others) back from switching away from Vim. Unfortunately, development of Vintage mode seems to have stopped (the repository hasn't changed for about six months).
- princemaple 14y ago
  he will go back to it soon, I think
  - tomlu 14y ago
    That's great news - do you have a source (maybe a forum post) for that?
    - princemaple 14y ago
      not really, but the man spent all his time on S3 development, I think it's the reason that we haven't seen any progress in vintage mode. With S3 beta released, I guess he doesn't need to stick to it every second any more.
- mikevm 14y ago
  As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I've seen how GDB works, and debugging this way seems much less productive. You don't see your whole source code, and you don't constantly see the values of watched or local variables, etc... Is there a different debugger you use for this task when developing using only a text editor (vim/emacs/sublime)?
  - pretoriusB 14y ago
    >As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I'd ask the reverse of you. Why do you spend time in a debugger at all? For 99% of the bugs logical thinking and a few printfs work faster and better ran blindly running around setting breakpoints and examining values.
jscheel 14y ago
With the upgrade to python, anyone relying heavily on packages is definitely have to upgrade. Not may package devs are going to want to maintain ST2 AND ST3 packages.
msoad 14y ago
I want a better project wide find. It could be better.
codex 14y ago
I am pleased to see this app written in C++11. I hope it will inspire others to create more fast, beautiful, cross platform apps with the language.
- Corrado 14y ago
  I have been curious for a while about how ST 2|3 is architected. I know it uses C++ but how does it work so well as cross-platform application. Does that stem from being built in C++? What UI framework does it use?
Watabou 14y ago
From what I got from this conversation, Sublime Text is not a one man show anymore? Jon says he will "have something to say on the front soon". http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10780 http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107...
jvm 14y ago
THE SO-CALLED “VISUAL” EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!! http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
- jvm 14y ago
  Sheesh okay I'm sorry! I thought it was funny, never do it again, etc...
  - xentronium 14y ago
    The text is kinda funny, but it appears in every thread about text editors, so people probably grew tired of that joke.
    - jvm 14y ago
      Sorry I am obviously new here.
IbJacked 14y ago
And still no option to print? I've been a happy ST2 licensee for quite some time, and the inability to print is probably my biggest complaint (though, admittedly, I don't need to print things very often).
diziet 14y ago
The replace all performance increase is a great addition, sublime was just painfully slow at managing large simple replacements for when you didn't want to go out of the editor to use sed.
josteink 14y ago
I tried using Sublime text and it's a great editor, extensible and moldable, but I just keep coming back to emacs since that is always available wherever I am, logged in via ssh. A ssh/text-only version of sublime text would be interesting ;)
- benjaminwootton 14y ago
  This point shouldn't be understates. Currently I use a mixture of Sublime, Intellij, emacs, and VI, on Windows, Linux, and OSX. I'm sure this hurts my flow. As I started off with Emacs, I would love to return it to it for this reason. However, I've never been able to smoothly recreate two or three of the features that I need, despite spending hours playing around with different plugins. 1) For Dynamic language development, a 'goto arbitrary file' as slick as Sublime is all I need. This one feels simple to achieve, but I haven't been able to find anything similar. 2) For Java, a working tags or 'goto symbol' implementation with disambiguation and even the slightest awareness of the language and scope. I would probably have more success writing own editor from scratch that learning emacs lisp however!
  - thoughtcriminal 14y ago
    Why not make your own text editor, then sell it. I'll bet ST is raking in millions. Get a piece of that action.
- thaumaturgy 14y ago
  > A ssh/text-only version of sublime text would be interesting ;) That's "vi". All kidding aside, I've no idea how someone would pull this off. A lot of the best features in Sublime wouldn't translate well to a terminal. The minimap, for example.
  - Cthulhu_ 14y ago
    One could perhaps do something with opening two terminal windows that connect to the same ST session, but put the font size of one of them to tiny.
mokash 14y ago
These changes look like they warrant a 2.x version, not 3. I really like Sublime Text 2. Edited: I'm dumb.
- wingerlang 14y ago
  The price went from 59 to 70. An increase by 11. I got it wrong to at first.
  - mokash 14y ago
    Ah hahaha. My bad. I see it now.
- venomsnake 14y ago
  How did you get to the 500% increase? I think that ST gives good value for the money. Unless you are a developer in second or third world country the price tag is hovering around an hour wage. And because of the sublimely generous trial model you can use as much as you like it if you happen to be on tight budget.
  - mokash 14y ago
    Sorry, my mistake, I read it wrong. I still don't think these changes warrant the 3.0 version number though.
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stinos 14y ago
"Sublime Text has always had speed as a feature, but version 3 addresses some weak points. Startup time is now virtually immediate, and plugins no longer have the opportunity to bring this down. Replace All performance is also significantly faster" couldn't care less about startup time while the speed problem on windows lies in loading/editing files greater than a couple of mb. I start ST only once a day but I load files like a hundred times and I'm not the only one with that workflow :] so to me the last one seems like a higher priority?
- sturmeh 14y ago
  The start-up time on some slower machines is horrendous. On my work laptop (which I have no option to upgrade, and is encrypted) takes a good 9 seconds to start sublime. (Without even giving it a file to open!) I have to contemplate if I need to open sublime sometimes, and just use notepad instead.
SCdF 14y ago
I'm not near a computer at the moment, can any body tell me how the performance is with very large files (>20mb) compared to the previous releases? If there was one thing that disappointed me about ST2 it was that it wasn't very competent with massive log files and the like. ATM I use an ide for Java, ST2 for nearly everything else (other languages, random text) and less / vi / others for logs and other massive files. Would love to be able to kill off another tool.
- veidr 14y ago
  I just opened a 49.8MB log file and the ST3 beta took 6 seconds to open it. The app can open/edit other files while this initial loading happens. For fun I tried some other editors (this is on OS X): BBEdit 10.5: instant vim 7.3: instant TextEdit 1.8: instant Textmate 2.0.0a9351: hung the entire app for 15 seconds ST2: 9 seconds So yeah, ST3 still seems to fare pretty poorly in this regard.
  - swah 14y ago
    Probably something related to the new symbol parsing?
    - Dirlewanger 14y ago
      Doubt it. Problem exists in ST2 as well. I have a ~200MB ETL file I've been working with recently...takes ST2 around 20 seconds to open it.
  - SCdF 14y ago
    Bah, yeah, so that's my biggest gripe with ST.. it seems to want to load the whole file into memory before it lets you work with it. I'm not sure if that's a philosophical thing or a limitation of how ST works, but it's really annoying. If he worked out a robust way to have file open performance on par with the likes of vim then I'd upgrade in a heartbeat.
- Jare 14y ago
  Sadly, in the announcement comments, John says this: "How well large files are supported is mostly a function of the syntax definition being used. Sublime Text 3 does have performance improvements compared to Sublime Text 2 here, but not significantly so." Big disappointment for a lot of us.
JonnieCache 14y ago
And there was me going around claiming he was probably on holiday. I should have known better.
idoco 14y ago
JetBrains should buy them and integrate all these wonderful features into Intellij. That might be the most powerful IDE ever made!
- adlpz 14y ago
  God no, please. The attractive of Sublime is that it's not an IDE, but a very fast and powerful text editor with some IDE-like niceties. If JetBrains bought it and integrated it in IntelliJ that would end killing the original project and I'd be forced to go berserk on Prague, big time.
  - haakon 14y ago
    JetBrains has a bazillion different versions of their products for specific uses. There is no reason to believe they wouldn't continue maintaining ST as a separate editor. And assuming they did, it would be pretty great.
    - adlpz 14y ago
      The fact that JetBrains is written in Java would mean they'd most likely port the Sublime engine to it. And that would leave the original version in a very bad situation. Anyway, this is all speculation.
  - drdaeman 14y ago
    This is actually that distracted me away from ST2. It's 2013 and we generally still use text editors to work with code. The result is that code is typically tied to plaintext buffer by hacks and kludges in a quite awkward way. Highlighting is done by one subsystem, code analysis (if any's possible) is performed by completely another one (so highlighter output may accidentally contradict code analyzer), folding is totally separate from all those, and so on. JetBrains has another approach to this, as most clearly seen with MPS.
aviraldg 14y ago
I was an ST guy before PyCharm... charmed me :P Seriously, though, the code intelligence tools there are much better than SublimeIntel.
AngryParsley 14y ago
I see ST3 bundles its own version of Python 3.3 on all platforms. ST2 did this on Linux and Windows, and it was quite annoying. In ST2, the ssl module is broken on Linux and the select module is completely missing on Windows. (See http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/50801-bundle-python-ssl-module/ http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/50801-bundle-python-ss... and http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/149231-include-pythons-select-module-on-windows/ http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/149231-include-pythons...) I started to port one of my plugins to Sublime Text 3 beta, but basic things are broken. Importing urllib.request raises an exception on OS X: >>> import urllib.request Traceback (most recent call last): File "<string>", line 1, in <module> File "X/urllib/request.py", line 2456, in <module> ImportError: No module named '_scproxy' Except for a few well-documented edge cases, a properly-built Python behaves the same on OS X, Linux, and Windows. I really hope Jon Skinner gets better at building Python. Dealing with these random platform-specific issues is very frustrating. That said, I am a fan of Sublime Text. (Otherwise what am I wasting my time writing plugins for?) It's like TextMate, but cross-platform and not abandonware. :)
- bpierre 14y ago
  “It's like TextMate, but cross-platform and not abandonware.” This is no longer true since Textmate 2 has been open sourced. Textmate 2 is now very active, it is common to see a release every few days. See the changelog [1], or the activity of Allan Odgaard on GitHub [2]. [1] https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Applications/TextMate/about/Changes.md https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Application... [2] https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity
  - AngryParsley 14y ago
    I know. I was just poking some fun at TextMate. TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that. I actually use TextMate 1.5 more than I use Sublime Text. Unfortunately, TextMate 1.5 was never open-sourced and TextMate 2 broke plugins designed for 1.5. So for me, it is abandonware. :(
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thoughtcriminal 14y ago
Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.
- Torn 14y ago
  Oh, is it not 'buy once, free upgrades for life'? That's a little disappointing, still, I'm happy with the money I paid for ST 2.
  - edanm 14y ago
    It's been "buy it once, free updates until I say otherwise" for the last 3 or 4 years (I bought in the ST1 days). I feel it's very appropriate to ask for some more money at this stage, ST has been through a lot. Plus, I'd happily pay a lot more money for many of the features I'd want ST to have.
  - petercooper 14y ago
    I'd have agreed until I experienced TextMate. Everything basically ground to a halt for years. I know not everyone is fuelled by money but I suspect if it had been more of a priority, updates would have been more frequent.
- nnq 14y ago
  > I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor This only makes sense if: (a) I guess you're not a software developer, so you don't actually "make money" from the productivity increases of a text-editor good for you? or (b) you plan to switch to some other editor that's open-source (emacs? vim?) or (c) you're and IDE guy and rarely use a "simple" text editor. Please mention your use case before saying "that's enough for a text editor", because for most that's really pocket change compared to what others pay for other services or software licenses (think designers!).
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alvesjnr 14y ago
I really like ST, it is the first text editor that I use for more than 1 year in a row. But 70 Dollars is really expensive in my point of view. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade to version 3 (paying upgrade).
- swah 14y ago
  30 to upgrade.
edanm 14y ago
Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.
- mattmanser 14y ago
  Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay Microsoft to make Windows open-source. If Windows becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with Windows, especially those coming from a Linux background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.
  - pbreit 14y ago
    Is that a reasonable comparison? No.
    - theallan 14y ago
      Why not? Its the same principle just a question of scale.
      - arnarbi 14y ago
        That's a straw man argument. "Same, except for scale" alone does not make it a reasonable comparison.
      - petercooper 14y ago
        I tried that one on a gun nut with no luck. "If you think it's your right to own and carry a gun, then why don't you think North Korea should be allowed to have its own nukes?"
  - shanelja 14y ago
    Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay The Government to make Everything Free. If Everything becomes free, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with The Government, especially those coming from a Poor background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well. Anything sounds ridiculous at scale
ricardobeat 14y ago
Block cursor?
nnq 14y ago
...what I'd kill for in ST would be a nice code browser that also properly shows nested function in Javascript and other languages that support them (like Idea does). It really makes a difference if you're trying to make sense of some else's messy code base and you happen to be a visual thinker like me.
- swah 14y ago
  ...me too. I thought it would go to that side, allowing IDE-like plugins to be written, takiong some of Emacs mindshare on that space.
kellishaver 14y ago
I'm looking forward to this, but right now the find anything menu is crashing all over the place for me on OS X 10.8.2 I'm confident they'll sort it out and I'm happy to pay them $30 when they do, but it looks like I won't be beta testing for a while. :/
pacomerh 14y ago
Installed it on windows 8, but lots of things started to fail. The sidebar was lagging, package manager didn't work, files opened blank randomly from an ftp server, and finally, it messed up my ST2 installation. I'll wait for a stable.
- NuZZ 14y ago
  Thanks for the heads up.
swah 14y ago
Happy for the guy having delivered. There are some nice changes, but not the ones that would make great extensions (like those in Emacs world) possible/easier to write.
drcongo 14y ago
Installing and running the ST3 beta seems to have broken ST2 for me. It now hangs when I try to bring up the command prompt.
grundprinzip 14y ago
I personally find the 70$ price tag rather high for a text editor. However, this is not my main issue For this premium price I do not only expect features but as well documentation and if you are a plugin developer the current ST2 documentation is just plain bad because it misses too much. In addition, even though ST2 is highly configurable nowhere are all the options explained that you can use and manually set. I fins this rather annoying and think this was something to fix along the ST2 life cycle. I'm not sure if the beta will conivince me in paying another 30$ for hope that this will some days come.
- shanelja 14y ago
  I couldn't agree more, I'm not a wealthy person and while $70 might be chump change to some users, to me that would represent a large amount of money - I couldn't justify to myself to spend it, I would love to be able to pay like $25 or $30 because I would probably be okay with that. I just don't see the differences between the two being enough to justify me spending that amount of money, especially not when I'm doing just fine with Sublime Text 2 (and yes, yes, the old Hammer being used as a screwdriver argument will inevitably pop up now I've said that) and have no real reason to switch.
  - akmiller 14y ago
    If you are already paid user of ST2 then ST3 will only cost you 30.00.
- akirk 14y ago
  Did you once do a calculation of the price as to the percentage of the money it costs in relation to the money you generate using this tool?
  - jaredmcateer 14y ago
    The percentage is infinitely better with Vim and it has nearly everything I would want out of ST2 does short of the thumbnail browser.
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iurisilvio 14y ago
ST3 is consuming all my CPU processing and memory.
Shtirlic 14y ago
It's all about release cycles: Textmate was to slow, ST is too fast in changing versions. Releasing beta major version after half-year no-updates for the current major version looks silly to me. Price changed to $70, while JetBrains RubyMine IDE is $69 now with much more features. I am sticking to the ST2 with no no intentions for upgrading.
MrGando 14y ago
I think that your hammer must be open source if possible if you develop software. Learn from mistakes of the past, like TextMate. We're lucky that the developer open sourced the project in the end, but that's not the way it usually goes. It's Vim or Emacs IMHO, ( Vim in my case )
markstahler 14y ago
I hope that some of this increase in price is used to support Package Control from wbond. Certainly Package Control has contributed to the usefulness of Sublime. Myself having registered less than a year ago, thinks this update is a little premature. Users in the official forums have been worried for months that development had stalled and all of the sudden an announcement of a paid update for seemingly incremental features? Are we to expect a beta period similar to ST2 or will be be expected to pay for what seems should be a minor release? I for one expected at least 2 years of support for my ST2 purchase. Coupled with the increase in price (which now compares to JetBrains IDEs) I see much fewer reasons to upgrade and/or recommend this to others.
- lukeholder 14y ago
  IMHO sublime dev/s should be charging double (like $149) for product and require a paid upgrade every year to pay for continued development and features. I would happily subscribe for this software like I do for the adobe suite.
niix 14y ago
I love ST, but VIM is free.
danielsju6 14y ago
No trial? Guess I'm not going to give this a whirl since I can't see what the commotion is about.
- looki 14y ago
  You can download Sublime Text 2 for free, but you're supposed to register it if you plan to use it.
benhoyt 14y ago
A subtle but neat feature on the ST3 download page -- http://www.sublimetext.com/3 http://www.sublimetext.com/3 -- there's some JavaScript that automatically detects your platform (eg "Windows 64 bit") and highlights the correct bullet point.
gesman 14y ago
Excellent product. One of these tools where I actually bought a license and enjoy every moment of using the product.
mixmastamyk 14y ago
I like ST and have tried it a few times and liked aspects, but it doesn't make it easy to get started. For example a proprietary editor in 2013 it should have a gui for prefs and color scheme implemented. Also, not certain I want a package manager just for my editor. If it had gui options and supported apt or pip I'd be sold. Still sticking with geany or notepad++ for standard text editing tasks and the heavy-duty ones for more. Edit: looks like it may be in debian, but not ubuntu w/o ppa.
- kemayo 14y ago
  The text-file preferences are part of its charm, though.
wbond 14y ago
There is an alpha build of Package Control for ST3 http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control/installation#ST3 http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control/installati...

589 points by conorh 14y ago

Wow! Does that man ever sleep? And I thought 2 development has slowed down after release (sparse new dev builds etc). We'll have Sublime Text 3 before Textmate 2 beta 2.

tortilla 14y ago
Wow. I was thinking the same. What a great surprise.
swah 14y ago
But its pretty much ST2...
JesseObrien 14y ago
It did slow down, and now he's charging everyone for a point release. It's not in your head.

RobSim 14y ago

I was getting worried development was dead because of no blog posts since before the summer, great news!

bsg75 14y ago
JPS could do a better job of keeping in touch with the community, if only to post "I am still alive" from time to time. So many similar projects have dies on the vine that when an author goes very quiet for an extended period of time, its a bit troublesome.

arrowgunz 14y ago

That is such a great news. Can't wait to try out the indexed Goto Definition feature. The current implementation is not so great. Hoping this will be improved with the new version.

thejosh 14y ago

Sublime 2 is already perfect, I'm going to be very impressed with how 3 is going to go.. I'm also amused that he's now restricting the ST3 BETA to registered users only, where ST2 had a long BETA period.

epo 14y ago
I bet he wasn't amused by the number of ST2 users who got the ST2 beta and were using it without having got round to paying, in fact I'd bet this was the majority. The trouble with honour systems is that not enough people are honourable.

forrestthewoods 14y ago

Goto definition and goto symbol? Oh my! Quick test and it works fairly well already. Definitely some enhancements I want (text preview) but I can already tell this will be a glorious upgrade.

DigitalJack 14y ago
I've had a good experience using ctags with ST2. Even on windows.
- cnp 14y ago
  Can't quite figure out this goto definition thing, though of course I'm trying it using a dynamic language, JavaScript. Was praying he worked some secret SublimeText magic into it :/
  - jmandzik 14y ago
    I just tried it out on my client and server side JS projects. Cmd+Shift+R and type the name of your favorite function. Its pretty damn fast.
nimrody 14y ago
What about searching for all callers of a function? This has been available (using cscope) on VIM and Emacs for ages.

jacques_chester 14y ago

> OSX: 10.7 or later is required Looks like I might have to bite the upgrade bullet this year.

threepointone 14y ago
I feel you man. I've been stubbornly sticking to Snow Leopard myself, it works great with my late 2008 MBP.
- jacques_chester 14y ago
  I'm also holding out for a Mac Pro bump that isn't a pisstake. So I guess I'll bite a few bullets at once.
  - niggler 14y ago
    Don't hold your breath -- I felt the same way about xserve before Apple shocked us with the axing of the server line.
    - jacques_chester 14y ago
      I am certainly concerned that they might give it the official arse. The only thing that gives me hope is that the Pro fits a small but important niche in the overall ecosystem: a system better suited for the developers of iOS applications than the iMac is.
      - Zr40 14y ago
        What does the Mac Pro offer for iOS developers that the iMac does not?
        jacques_chester 14y ago
        More. Of everything. More cores, more RAM, more GPU grunt to drive more screens.

zopticity 14y ago

On a related note, check out the top 10 sublime text plugins: http://www.henriquebarroso.com/my-top-10sublime-2-plugins/ http://www.henriquebarroso.com/my-top-10sublime-2-plugins/ Some of my favorites are there! If you haven't done so, check it out too!

thejosh 14y ago
Yeah but this is Python 3, so not many will work with ST3.
- tiedemann 14y ago
  Moving to 3 from 2 is a no-brainer most of the time. http://docs.python.org/dev/library/2to3.html http://docs.python.org/dev/library/2to3.html

Steveism 14y ago

I love the addition of better pane management. With a few slick keyboard shortcuts I think this sounds like a nice improvement to working with multiple files in a project. If it's implemented in a similar way to my beloved tmux, I'll be loving this feature.

scottbartell 14y ago

> The price for a Sublime Text license key has increased by $11 to $70, the first price rise in Sublime Text’s five year history That's a pretty big jump. Not saying it's not worth it.

dorianj 14y ago
I was thinking the opposite. I'm glad he's charging for upgrades, and charging a decent price for something some developers use all day everyday. I hope this will enable him to continue developing ST. I'm growing fairly dependent on plugins, though -- I hope the new API isn't too hard for plugin devs to upgrade. Although with most plugins hosted on Github these days, compat is just a pull request away.
- scottbartell 14y ago
  So you don't think a ~640% pricing increase rather large? I'm not saying the software isn't worth $70. But relative to it's previous price, I think it's a pretty significant increase. Edit: My mistake - I just can't read. It was an $11 increase in price.
  - sebilasse 14y ago
    it went from 59$ to 70$
  - bertzzie 14y ago
    It's increased BY 11$, not FROM 11$. Certainly not 640%.
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xargs12 14y ago

$30 for an upgrade seems a tad rich.

jowiar 14y ago
Note the faster development process of Sublime as compared with TM2 (which was to be a free upgrade). The promise of cash works wonders.
dangrossman 14y ago
More like $20 after you write it off on your taxes. Seems like a steal to me. Intuit wants $170 to upgrade QuickBooks, Adobe wants $200 to upgrade Photoshop, and this little text editor adds more to my bottom line productivity than either.
lessnonymous 14y ago
Ridiculously cheap really
johnconroy 14y ago
$30 is peanuts for a productivity tool you use professionally

pdknsk 14y ago

> Linux: .deb files are provided I wonder if this also means official repositories.

vacipr 14y ago
It will probably be in the Software Center once it gets out of beta.

rogerbinns 14y ago

My pet peeve with editors is how they handle files changing underneath them. I do this regularly enough (eg I might make a quick change using vi, source control update), there could be ssh or sshfs involved, or another tool might be better for doing whatever it is that I wanted. Emacs has been the only editor that has never lost a change for me. Whenever you try to make a modification it checks the underlying file is as expected, and tells you if not. I tried SL2 and it quite happily ignored the fact that the file had changed. I'm also evaluating AppCode and it has perhaps the worst behaviour - it silently updates the editor window. But some of the time it doesn't notice the change and hence overwrites it. Consequently you can't trust the editor. gedit also notices changes proactively (compared to emacs' reactively) but I don't use it regularly.

Stealth- 14y ago
Vim produces a warning whenever you focus on the window, asking if you want to keep your current work or load the changed file. If you keep your work, it reminds you yet again if you attempt to save over the changed file, just in case.
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lessnonymous 14y ago
Wow .. wouldn't it be nice to get the diff lines highlighted in ST3. Then you get theirs/mine option on each line (with an 'all' option of course). Surely not hard to implement (if it's easy to say, it's easy to code, right??)
- thejosh 14y ago
  Considering the massive API changes (out of process etc) with the API this should be an awesome plugin!
- jskinner 14y ago
  You can find out the (highlighted) differences between the in-memory buffer and the on disk version one via "Show Unsaved Changes" on the context menu.

swdunlop 14y ago

"API: Upgraded from Python 2.6 to Python 3.3" Oh god, I've got some plugin fixing to do..

swdunlop 14y ago
Case in point, right off the bat.. Package Control's print statements are going to have to go and urllib2 was deprecated. :)
- wbond 14y ago
  I started work prepping for Python 3 a little while ago at https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_source https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_..., however the actual Python 3 changes are in progress and have yet to be committed.
  - swdunlop 14y ago
    Didn't intend to throw rocks about not being ported, yet. :) Installing Package Control is the natural first step after installing Sublime Text.
    - wbond 14y ago
      I didn't take it that way, just wanted to let everyone know that I've been working on it! :-)
xentronium 14y ago
How much effort is required to maintain the same code base compatible between 2.6 and 3.3? Non-python guy here.
- swdunlop 14y ago
  Python's "2to3" utility helps a lot with the mechanical parts, like spotting renamed modules or print statements. After that, it's a chore of hunting down small semantic changes involving strings. Since everything in Sublime Text should be using the same flavor of string, at least that part should be straightforwards.

lemieux 14y ago

Is it just me or Package Control doesn't work on it?

teamonkey 14y ago
It's strange to me that Package Control isn't integrated into the core for v3.0, given its usefulness and popularity.
Hovertruck 14y ago
Probably due to the upgrade to Python 3.
- lemieux 14y ago
  Right. I just figured.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
Probably a result of the move to Python 3 for the plugin api?
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wbond 14y ago
Not yet. I started prepping for the port to Python 3 a bit ago at https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_source https://github.com/wbond/sublime_package_control/tree/split_..., but the actual Python 3 changes are still in progress and not pushed (for the sake of not spoiling Jon's surprise).
- willtheperson 14y ago
  Has there been any talk about merging Package Control into the app out of the box for v3? When I tell people how much I love ST2, Package Control is definitely responsible for some of that love.

Stealth- 14y ago

Coming from someone who has never used or tried Sublime Text, how does this compare to Vim in general? It's taken quite a while to grow familiar with Vim, is it worth the learning curve to ditch it now and try Sublime? Are the two really that different? A lot of what I'm seeing looks like things that can be done in Vim, but I might be missing something.

dmix 14y ago
I'm a vim/textmate user and I found sublimes UX to be lacking polish and the UI overall needed work. I like textmates uniform OSX style and VIMs uniform terminal style, using the "Tomorrow" theme on both [1]. Although I'm also a part designer so the aesthetics matter to me as much as functionality. If you're measuring functionality I can't imagine sublimes better than VIM. [1] https://github.com/chriskempson/tomorrow-theme https://github.com/chriskempson/tomorrow-theme
- cowsaysoink 14y ago
  If you didn't like the UI you could install Soda theme: https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme/ https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme/
  - dmix 14y ago
    I've installed the Tomorrow theme in Sublime which I love in txtmate/VIM and still wasn't a fan.
    - cowsaysoink 14y ago
      Soda is a UI theme not a color scheme.
      - dmix 14y ago
        Interesting. I'll have to check sublime out again when version 3 comes out.
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Andrex 14y ago

Finally, .deb for Linux! Seriously almost makes it worth it just on its own.

JesseObrien 14y ago
ST2 has been in the Debian repo's for a loong time. I assume others have packaged it for the rest of the *buntu's and whatnot.

georgemcbay 14y ago

I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. It is a shame because I like the editor a lot, but if it doesn't work on all the platforms I use it ultimately has zero value to me.

forrestthewoods 14y ago
Why do you need ST to be involved in building? I use ST for all text editing and then click the build button where ever it may lie - python script file, Xcode, or VisualStudio. You do lose the ability to jump to the exact line an error is on which is a mild nuisance but nearly enough to make me stop using ST.
- marcusf 14y ago
  I think you're reading that wrong. OP asks for a ST build for Linux/ARM (i.e. an executable that works on that platform).
  - forrestthewoods 14y ago
    ...I get what I deserve for posting at 3am. I am an idiot. Thanks for the clarification. :)
pretoriusB 14y ago
>I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. Damn! There goes the whole of the Linux/ARM community!
- richo 14y ago
  Wow that's a helpful response :/ ARM devices are happening.. without having seen your codebase I can't speak for how hard it'd be to build for a new target, but given that you're targeting win32 and posixy systems already it seems achievable. Wouldn't you much rather be the badass that works everywhere than snrk at a growing niche?

adharmad 14y ago

"When 3.0 is released, upgrades will be available for $30, or $15 for users who have purchased recently." Why different prices based on when the purchase date?

xaa 14y ago
So that people feel less screwed about the fact that they are paying for the same product repeatedly.
- SquareWheel 14y ago
  I bought it when Sublime Text 2 came out of Beta, which wasn't all that long ago, was it? As somebody that very rarely buys tools, it's hard not to feel a little incensed.
  - toast76 14y ago
    It's $30. What sort of development are you doing that isn't worth $30 for the single tool that allows you to do it? I can't imagine carpenters are incensed when Ryobi brings out a new $300 drill. You either buy the new drill, or you keep the old one. Nobody expects new hardware for free, why software?
    - ianstormtaylor 14y ago
      Completely agree. If you don't need it, don't buy it. It's that simple. You can't shell out $30 for one of the most important parts of your development environment?
    - ok_craig 14y ago
      If you have an old drill and buy a new one, you own an old drill and a new drill. If you have old software and update it, you only have the new software. In the first case, the value of your goods and of their use to you is more than just one drill. In the second case, you end up paying more than the price of the newest software, for just the newest software. From this, one could make the argument that the most fair upgrade price would be $11 - the difference between the old and new software.

nexpro 14y ago

Hope to support Chinese input in Linux

hcarvalhoalves 14y ago

Are these changes really worth the "3.0" tag? Goto to symbol is great, but all other bullet points taste like what I expected 2 to have once it left beta (basically, speed and not letting plugins crash my session). Isn't this a clever way to make users buy into a paid upgrade for a stable version of an editor they already bought?

kyrra 14y ago
The editor was already pretty stable, but maybe not the plugins, which are optional. I'd agree that the price is a bit high to upgrade, but for people like me who didn't own it yet, now is a good time to buy.
- ajanuary 14y ago
  But if you don't think this upgrade is worth it, do you want to invest in a product that is likely to make you pay for upgrades you don't think are worth it in the future? [Not that I'm saying this upgrade isn't worth it]
robryan 14y ago
Even if it is, I am more than happy to put down another $30 for it. I get that much value from it daily.
- thaumaturgy 14y ago
  Yep, my thoughts exactly. Sublime is one of the few pieces of software that I rely on that has not only never let me down (so far!), but has really pleasantly surprised me on several occasions, saving my ass when I thought I'd just lost a lot of work.
  - just_testing 14y ago
    Would you care to give some examples? I am genuinely curious!

tomlu 14y ago

I am disappointed to see that Vintage mode hasn't really been touched at all for this edition. It's what is holding myself (and likely others) back from switching away from Vim. Unfortunately, development of Vintage mode seems to have stopped (the repository hasn't changed for about six months).

princemaple 14y ago
he will go back to it soon, I think
- tomlu 14y ago
  That's great news - do you have a source (maybe a forum post) for that?
  - princemaple 14y ago
    not really, but the man spent all his time on S3 development, I think it's the reason that we haven't seen any progress in vintage mode. With S3 beta released, I guess he doesn't need to stick to it every second any more.
mikevm 14y ago
As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I've seen how GDB works, and debugging this way seems much less productive. You don't see your whole source code, and you don't constantly see the values of watched or local variables, etc... Is there a different debugger you use for this task when developing using only a text editor (vim/emacs/sublime)?
- pretoriusB 14y ago
  >As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I'd ask the reverse of you. Why do you spend time in a debugger at all? For 99% of the bugs logical thinking and a few printfs work faster and better ran blindly running around setting breakpoints and examining values.

jscheel 14y ago

With the upgrade to python, anyone relying heavily on packages is definitely have to upgrade. Not may package devs are going to want to maintain ST2 AND ST3 packages.

msoad 14y ago

I want a better project wide find. It could be better.

codex 14y ago

I am pleased to see this app written in C++11. I hope it will inspire others to create more fast, beautiful, cross platform apps with the language.

Corrado 14y ago
I have been curious for a while about how ST 2|3 is architected. I know it uses C++ but how does it work so well as cross-platform application. Does that stem from being built in C++? What UI framework does it use?

Watabou 14y ago

From what I got from this conversation, Sublime Text is not a one man show anymore? Jon says he will "have something to say on the front soon". http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10780 http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107...

jvm 14y ago

THE SO-CALLED “VISUAL” EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!! http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html

jvm 14y ago
Sheesh okay I'm sorry! I thought it was funny, never do it again, etc...
- xentronium 14y ago
  The text is kinda funny, but it appears in every thread about text editors, so people probably grew tired of that joke.
  - jvm 14y ago
    Sorry I am obviously new here.

IbJacked 14y ago

And still no option to print? I've been a happy ST2 licensee for quite some time, and the inability to print is probably my biggest complaint (though, admittedly, I don't need to print things very often).

diziet 14y ago

The replace all performance increase is a great addition, sublime was just painfully slow at managing large simple replacements for when you didn't want to go out of the editor to use sed.

josteink 14y ago

I tried using Sublime text and it's a great editor, extensible and moldable, but I just keep coming back to emacs since that is always available wherever I am, logged in via ssh. A ssh/text-only version of sublime text would be interesting ;)

benjaminwootton 14y ago
This point shouldn't be understates. Currently I use a mixture of Sublime, Intellij, emacs, and VI, on Windows, Linux, and OSX. I'm sure this hurts my flow. As I started off with Emacs, I would love to return it to it for this reason. However, I've never been able to smoothly recreate two or three of the features that I need, despite spending hours playing around with different plugins. 1) For Dynamic language development, a 'goto arbitrary file' as slick as Sublime is all I need. This one feels simple to achieve, but I haven't been able to find anything similar. 2) For Java, a working tags or 'goto symbol' implementation with disambiguation and even the slightest awareness of the language and scope. I would probably have more success writing own editor from scratch that learning emacs lisp however!
- thoughtcriminal 14y ago
  Why not make your own text editor, then sell it. I'll bet ST is raking in millions. Get a piece of that action.
thaumaturgy 14y ago
> A ssh/text-only version of sublime text would be interesting ;) That's "vi". All kidding aside, I've no idea how someone would pull this off. A lot of the best features in Sublime wouldn't translate well to a terminal. The minimap, for example.
- Cthulhu_ 14y ago
  One could perhaps do something with opening two terminal windows that connect to the same ST session, but put the font size of one of them to tiny.

mokash 14y ago

These changes look like they warrant a 2.x version, not 3. I really like Sublime Text 2. Edited: I'm dumb.

wingerlang 14y ago
The price went from 59 to 70. An increase by 11. I got it wrong to at first.
- mokash 14y ago
  Ah hahaha. My bad. I see it now.
venomsnake 14y ago
How did you get to the 500% increase? I think that ST gives good value for the money. Unless you are a developer in second or third world country the price tag is hovering around an hour wage. And because of the sublimely generous trial model you can use as much as you like it if you happen to be on tight budget.
- mokash 14y ago
  Sorry, my mistake, I read it wrong. I still don't think these changes warrant the 3.0 version number though.

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stinos 14y ago

"Sublime Text has always had speed as a feature, but version 3 addresses some weak points. Startup time is now virtually immediate, and plugins no longer have the opportunity to bring this down. Replace All performance is also significantly faster" couldn't care less about startup time while the speed problem on windows lies in loading/editing files greater than a couple of mb. I start ST only once a day but I load files like a hundred times and I'm not the only one with that workflow :] so to me the last one seems like a higher priority?

sturmeh 14y ago
The start-up time on some slower machines is horrendous. On my work laptop (which I have no option to upgrade, and is encrypted) takes a good 9 seconds to start sublime. (Without even giving it a file to open!) I have to contemplate if I need to open sublime sometimes, and just use notepad instead.

SCdF 14y ago

I'm not near a computer at the moment, can any body tell me how the performance is with very large files (>20mb) compared to the previous releases? If there was one thing that disappointed me about ST2 it was that it wasn't very competent with massive log files and the like. ATM I use an ide for Java, ST2 for nearly everything else (other languages, random text) and less / vi / others for logs and other massive files. Would love to be able to kill off another tool.

veidr 14y ago
I just opened a 49.8MB log file and the ST3 beta took 6 seconds to open it. The app can open/edit other files while this initial loading happens. For fun I tried some other editors (this is on OS X): BBEdit 10.5: instant vim 7.3: instant TextEdit 1.8: instant Textmate 2.0.0a9351: hung the entire app for 15 seconds ST2: 9 seconds So yeah, ST3 still seems to fare pretty poorly in this regard.
- swah 14y ago
  Probably something related to the new symbol parsing?
  - Dirlewanger 14y ago
    Doubt it. Problem exists in ST2 as well. I have a ~200MB ETL file I've been working with recently...takes ST2 around 20 seconds to open it.
- SCdF 14y ago
  Bah, yeah, so that's my biggest gripe with ST.. it seems to want to load the whole file into memory before it lets you work with it. I'm not sure if that's a philosophical thing or a limitation of how ST works, but it's really annoying. If he worked out a robust way to have file open performance on par with the likes of vim then I'd upgrade in a heartbeat.
Jare 14y ago
Sadly, in the announcement comments, John says this: "How well large files are supported is mostly a function of the syntax definition being used. Sublime Text 3 does have performance improvements compared to Sublime Text 2 here, but not significantly so." Big disappointment for a lot of us.

JonnieCache 14y ago

And there was me going around claiming he was probably on holiday. I should have known better.

idoco 14y ago

JetBrains should buy them and integrate all these wonderful features into Intellij. That might be the most powerful IDE ever made!

adlpz 14y ago
God no, please. The attractive of Sublime is that it's not an IDE, but a very fast and powerful text editor with some IDE-like niceties. If JetBrains bought it and integrated it in IntelliJ that would end killing the original project and I'd be forced to go berserk on Prague, big time.
- haakon 14y ago
  JetBrains has a bazillion different versions of their products for specific uses. There is no reason to believe they wouldn't continue maintaining ST as a separate editor. And assuming they did, it would be pretty great.
  - adlpz 14y ago
    The fact that JetBrains is written in Java would mean they'd most likely port the Sublime engine to it. And that would leave the original version in a very bad situation. Anyway, this is all speculation.
- drdaeman 14y ago
  This is actually that distracted me away from ST2. It's 2013 and we generally still use text editors to work with code. The result is that code is typically tied to plaintext buffer by hacks and kludges in a quite awkward way. Highlighting is done by one subsystem, code analysis (if any's possible) is performed by completely another one (so highlighter output may accidentally contradict code analyzer), folding is totally separate from all those, and so on. JetBrains has another approach to this, as most clearly seen with MPS.

aviraldg 14y ago

I was an ST guy before PyCharm... charmed me :P Seriously, though, the code intelligence tools there are much better than SublimeIntel.

AngryParsley 14y ago

I see ST3 bundles its own version of Python 3.3 on all platforms. ST2 did this on Linux and Windows, and it was quite annoying. In ST2, the ssl module is broken on Linux and the select module is completely missing on Windows. (See http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/50801-bundle-python-ssl-module/ http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/50801-bundle-python-ss... and http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/149231-include-pythons-select-module-on-windows/ http://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/149231-include-pythons...) I started to port one of my plugins to Sublime Text 3 beta, but basic things are broken. Importing urllib.request raises an exception on OS X: >>> import urllib.request Traceback (most recent call last): File "<string>", line 1, in <module> File "X/urllib/request.py", line 2456, in <module> ImportError: No module named '_scproxy' Except for a few well-documented edge cases, a properly-built Python behaves the same on OS X, Linux, and Windows. I really hope Jon Skinner gets better at building Python. Dealing with these random platform-specific issues is very frustrating. That said, I am a fan of Sublime Text. (Otherwise what am I wasting my time writing plugins for?) It's like TextMate, but cross-platform and not abandonware. :)

bpierre 14y ago
“It's like TextMate, but cross-platform and not abandonware.” This is no longer true since Textmate 2 has been open sourced. Textmate 2 is now very active, it is common to see a release every few days. See the changelog [1], or the activity of Allan Odgaard on GitHub [2]. [1] https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Applications/TextMate/about/Changes.md https://github.com/textmate/textmate/blob/master/Application... [2] https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity https://github.com/sorbits?tab=activity
- AngryParsley 14y ago
  I know. I was just poking some fun at TextMate. TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that. I actually use TextMate 1.5 more than I use Sublime Text. Unfortunately, TextMate 1.5 was never open-sourced and TextMate 2 broke plugins designed for 1.5. So for me, it is abandonware. :(
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thoughtcriminal 14y ago

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

Torn 14y ago
Oh, is it not 'buy once, free upgrades for life'? That's a little disappointing, still, I'm happy with the money I paid for ST 2.
- edanm 14y ago
  It's been "buy it once, free updates until I say otherwise" for the last 3 or 4 years (I bought in the ST1 days). I feel it's very appropriate to ask for some more money at this stage, ST has been through a lot. Plus, I'd happily pay a lot more money for many of the features I'd want ST to have.
- petercooper 14y ago
  I'd have agreed until I experienced TextMate. Everything basically ground to a halt for years. I know not everyone is fuelled by money but I suspect if it had been more of a priority, updates would have been more frequent.
nnq 14y ago
> I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor This only makes sense if: (a) I guess you're not a software developer, so you don't actually "make money" from the productivity increases of a text-editor good for you? or (b) you plan to switch to some other editor that's open-source (emacs? vim?) or (c) you're and IDE guy and rarely use a "simple" text editor. Please mention your use case before saying "that's enough for a text editor", because for most that's really pocket change compared to what others pay for other services or software licenses (think designers!).
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alvesjnr 14y ago

I really like ST, it is the first text editor that I use for more than 1 year in a row. But 70 Dollars is really expensive in my point of view. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade to version 3 (paying upgrade).

swah 14y ago
30 to upgrade.

edanm 14y ago

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

mattmanser 14y ago
Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay Microsoft to make Windows open-source. If Windows becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with Windows, especially those coming from a Linux background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.
- pbreit 14y ago
  Is that a reasonable comparison? No.
  - theallan 14y ago
    Why not? Its the same principle just a question of scale.
    - arnarbi 14y ago
      That's a straw man argument. "Same, except for scale" alone does not make it a reasonable comparison.
    - petercooper 14y ago
      I tried that one on a gun nut with no luck. "If you think it's your right to own and carry a gun, then why don't you think North Korea should be allowed to have its own nukes?"
- shanelja 14y ago
  Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay The Government to make Everything Free. If Everything becomes free, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with The Government, especially those coming from a Poor background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well. Anything sounds ridiculous at scale

ricardobeat 14y ago

Block cursor?

nnq 14y ago

...what I'd kill for in ST would be a nice code browser that also properly shows nested function in Javascript and other languages that support them (like Idea does). It really makes a difference if you're trying to make sense of some else's messy code base and you happen to be a visual thinker like me.

swah 14y ago
...me too. I thought it would go to that side, allowing IDE-like plugins to be written, takiong some of Emacs mindshare on that space.

kellishaver 14y ago

I'm looking forward to this, but right now the find anything menu is crashing all over the place for me on OS X 10.8.2 I'm confident they'll sort it out and I'm happy to pay them $30 when they do, but it looks like I won't be beta testing for a while. :/

pacomerh 14y ago

Installed it on windows 8, but lots of things started to fail. The sidebar was lagging, package manager didn't work, files opened blank randomly from an ftp server, and finally, it messed up my ST2 installation. I'll wait for a stable.

NuZZ 14y ago
Thanks for the heads up.

swah 14y ago

Happy for the guy having delivered. There are some nice changes, but not the ones that would make great extensions (like those in Emacs world) possible/easier to write.

drcongo 14y ago

Installing and running the ST3 beta seems to have broken ST2 for me. It now hangs when I try to bring up the command prompt.

grundprinzip 14y ago

I personally find the 70$ price tag rather high for a text editor. However, this is not my main issue For this premium price I do not only expect features but as well documentation and if you are a plugin developer the current ST2 documentation is just plain bad because it misses too much. In addition, even though ST2 is highly configurable nowhere are all the options explained that you can use and manually set. I fins this rather annoying and think this was something to fix along the ST2 life cycle. I'm not sure if the beta will conivince me in paying another 30$ for hope that this will some days come.

shanelja 14y ago
I couldn't agree more, I'm not a wealthy person and while $70 might be chump change to some users, to me that would represent a large amount of money - I couldn't justify to myself to spend it, I would love to be able to pay like $25 or $30 because I would probably be okay with that. I just don't see the differences between the two being enough to justify me spending that amount of money, especially not when I'm doing just fine with Sublime Text 2 (and yes, yes, the old Hammer being used as a screwdriver argument will inevitably pop up now I've said that) and have no real reason to switch.
- akmiller 14y ago
  If you are already paid user of ST2 then ST3 will only cost you 30.00.
akirk 14y ago
Did you once do a calculation of the price as to the percentage of the money it costs in relation to the money you generate using this tool?
- jaredmcateer 14y ago
  The percentage is infinitely better with Vim and it has nearly everything I would want out of ST2 does short of the thumbnail browser.
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iurisilvio 14y ago

ST3 is consuming all my CPU processing and memory.

Shtirlic 14y ago

It's all about release cycles: Textmate was to slow, ST is too fast in changing versions. Releasing beta major version after half-year no-updates for the current major version looks silly to me. Price changed to $70, while JetBrains RubyMine IDE is $69 now with much more features. I am sticking to the ST2 with no no intentions for upgrading.

MrGando 14y ago

I think that your hammer must be open source if possible if you develop software. Learn from mistakes of the past, like TextMate. We're lucky that the developer open sourced the project in the end, but that's not the way it usually goes. It's Vim or Emacs IMHO, ( Vim in my case )

markstahler 14y ago

I hope that some of this increase in price is used to support Package Control from wbond. Certainly Package Control has contributed to the usefulness of Sublime. Myself having registered less than a year ago, thinks this update is a little premature. Users in the official forums have been worried for months that development had stalled and all of the sudden an announcement of a paid update for seemingly incremental features? Are we to expect a beta period similar to ST2 or will be be expected to pay for what seems should be a minor release? I for one expected at least 2 years of support for my ST2 purchase. Coupled with the increase in price (which now compares to JetBrains IDEs) I see much fewer reasons to upgrade and/or recommend this to others.

lukeholder 14y ago
IMHO sublime dev/s should be charging double (like $149) for product and require a paid upgrade every year to pay for continued development and features. I would happily subscribe for this software like I do for the adobe suite.

niix 14y ago

I love ST, but VIM is free.

danielsju6 14y ago

No trial? Guess I'm not going to give this a whirl since I can't see what the commotion is about.

looki 14y ago
You can download Sublime Text 2 for free, but you're supposed to register it if you plan to use it.

benhoyt 14y ago

A subtle but neat feature on the ST3 download page -- http://www.sublimetext.com/3 http://www.sublimetext.com/3 -- there's some JavaScript that automatically detects your platform (eg "Windows 64 bit") and highlights the correct bullet point.

gesman 14y ago

Excellent product. One of these tools where I actually bought a license and enjoy every moment of using the product.

mixmastamyk 14y ago

I like ST and have tried it a few times and liked aspects, but it doesn't make it easy to get started. For example a proprietary editor in 2013 it should have a gui for prefs and color scheme implemented. Also, not certain I want a package manager just for my editor. If it had gui options and supported apt or pip I'd be sold. Still sticking with geany or notepad++ for standard text editing tasks and the heavy-duty ones for more. Edit: looks like it may be in debian, but not ubuntu w/o ppa.

kemayo 14y ago
The text-file preferences are part of its charm, though.

wbond 14y ago

There is an alpha build of Package Control for ST3 http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control/installation#ST3 http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control/installati...