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Is there some kind of tech crash happening right now?
- byoung2 14y agoI doubt it. Maybe employers are getting more specific with their postings: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=big+data%2C+mobile+apps%2C+cloud&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=big+data%2C+mobile+apps%2C...
- thedufer 14y agoThose all show the same downturn in the last few weeks, though.
- baddox 14y agoThe same trend occurs for designers: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=web+design%2C+graphic+design%2C+designer&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=web+design%2C+graphic+desi...
- donquix 14y agoThere's a secretary crash too! http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=secretary&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=secretary&l= But seriously, this is relative to other job postings, so you can't say it is necessarily a crash, it could just be that the diversity of job types is increasing, or other areas of the job market are growing faster than these particular ones.
- dizzystar 14y agoI think it's just the job descriptions are changing, as one of the above posts shows by comparing "guru" and "ninja." No one wants a "Secretary" anymore, they want "Front-Office." "Office Assistant," and other buzz-worthy people. http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=front+office&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=front+office&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=office+assistant&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=office+assistant&l=
- sxtxixtxcxh 14y agothat graph covers 6 days in the middle of january and the "crash" happens on a saturday. is it really that surprising? edit: ahaha, years. got it. thanks. :)
- asc123 14y agoyears...not days
- robotrobot 14y agoI think those numbers are years.... :)
- rtkwe 14y agoI think it's years. Notice the '08 and '09 etc.
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- svachalek 14y agoI think you're just not using modern terminology: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star&l=
- brador 14y agoDon't forget the http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Ninja&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Ninja&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Guru&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Guru&l=
- skyebook 14y agoIt would seem the guru market is crashing pretty hard after solid growth. Might be smart to do some job retraining to become a ninja
- bsg75 14y agoOr this: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star%2C+engineer%2C+programmer&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star%2C+engineer%2C+p... Compared to this: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star%2C+engineer%2C+programmer&l=&relative=1 http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rock+star%2C+engineer%2C+p...
- thaumaturgy 14y agoCute, but that graph ranges from 0 to 0.04 percent -- it would be just a blip on the other graph, which ranges from 0 to 10 percent.
- joezydeco 14y agoFTFY: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer%2C+programming%2C+engineering%2C+rock+star&l=&relative=1 http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer%2C+programming%2C...
- thaumaturgy 14y agoI can't tell if you're being serious or not.
- 0x0 14y agoThis is a chart of searches for jobs, not listings of available jobs, right? And it's at the top around 2008-2009 which was just around the time of the latest financial crisis? Wouldn't this be more a sign of just the opposite, then? People have jobs and aren't searching for new ones?
- rpwilcox 14y agoI have seen a lot of freelancers on Twitter tweeting that they have availability. So, another potentially interesting data point.
- markkanof 14y agoThat could also just mean that more people are going freelance, which if true could also explain the down trend in job postings on indeed if more employers are working with freelancers instead of hiring.
- rpwilcox 14y agoIt could also mean that there's so much work that all a freelancer has to do for business development these days is tweet and get tons of work.
- notatoad 14y agoI'm fairly certain that your subjective opinion of things you've seen on twitter doesn't count as "data".
- rpwilcox 14y agoAbsolutely true: it's the basis for a hypothesis more than anything. "Are there more availability tweets on Twitter in the last month than previous months?" However, if OP wants another data source to show what the Indeed graph is showing, using Twitter might prove interesting (or not)
- mopatches 14y agoThe chart is based on relative percentage, not absolute counts. So it's useless - if more gardeners look for jobs on Indeed.com then the engineer/developer/etc lines in this chart drop off. The chart doesn't mean anything in isolation.
- thedufer 14y agoThis seems like a reasonable explanation, given that "manager", "plumber", and "electrician" all show similar drop-offs. I wonder what is increasing enough to have such a visible effect, though. You can't see them on the same graph since they're magnitudes are so different, so this isn't easy to see/I may be imagining things.
- minikomi 14y ago"Tax" is one which seems to be increasing.
- empthought 14y agoTax preparation is the largest seasonal occupation. Edit: by which I actually mean that H&R Block is the largest seasonal employer (the Jeopardy question that ended Ken Jennings's run).
- olivier1664 14y agoIn relative percentage AND in the job offers that indeed.com have. Maybe job's offers for dev is done by another way than indeed.com. Maybe, as you suggest, there is a massive look for gardeners jobs. Maybe, the dev's keywords are more specific (It seems not: other keywords like "javascript" or "ios" show the same graph). Maybe there is effectively less demands than before.
- jzf 14y agothis chart does not empirically prove this. It only proves that less people are trafficking in these jobs through Indeed. These kinds of jobs are increasingly being found through other channels.
- justizin 14y agoRight. It could actually show a downturn in the market for job posting sites like monster. When I worked for Simply Hired, I thought it was really odd that I found the job through Craigslist, but the White House was calling us for hard numbers indicating demand for skills in the job market.
- justizin 14y agoI mean, CL jobs would end up on Simply Hired as well, I just felt like we only had a slice, even if a big one, and we didn't know enough about the sample.
- kjackson2012 14y agoThat's an interesting graph, and it seems like a material downturn, in my opinion. I wouldn't call it a crash though. There could be a variety of reasons: fiscal cliff concerns, startup series A crunch, etc. My guess is that the FB IPO debacle had a huge impact on funding in Silicon Valley, which probably killed a lot of jobs. Whether or not that's a big deal going forward I don't know.
- grimey27 14y agoEverything I see/read says the exact opposite - there are plenty of jobs, it's the talent pool that needs to catch up.
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- dwg 14y agoanother take on it from SimplyHired: http://www.simplyhired.com/a/trends/aoccupation?ocp=Computer+Engineers+and+Programmers&month=2013-01 http://www.simplyhired.com/a/trends/aoccupation?ocp=Computer...
- jussij 14y agoSo their figures concur, indicating a marked slow in computer engineering last year. I know personally 2012 was a very bad year for I.T. here in Australia. But it has seem to be picking up a little since the start of 2013.
- forgotAgain 14y agoInteresting, especially considering today's headlines regarding a possible immigration agreement in Washington. What I've read about it so far indicates that provision for more foreign tech worker visas will be shoe-horned into any agreement. I wonder if the mega body shops have insider information on this and are holding back to get cheaper labor.
- jpdoctor 14y agoConsidering the crash in VC follow-on funding, it's somewhat expected.
- dalacv 14y agoSomething changed, because I reviewed a few of these charts last month and they indicated no fall for any of the top trending words. So, they must have changed the way that they are rendering the data, or adjusted the data.
- redwood 14y agoNotice no crash is evident when querying for any one of the terms: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineering&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineering&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=programming&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=programming&l= Thus there's something funny going on
- eclark 14y agoI see a downturn when looking at a single term.
- dmor 14y agoMaybe at Microsoft http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+microsoft%2C+apple%2C+amazon&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+microsoft%2C+app...
- yajoe 14y agoYou may be on to something. Of the companies in your query, only Microsoft has results on the same scale as the 'engineer' query (6-8% of jobs posting). And, Microsoft has a downturn that is visually similar as the 'engineering' query. So, it could be that another big player or major deal recently landed and increased the job mix. Or, it could be an effect of Microsoft's recent recruiter layoff (I only know about this because a friend was affected -- no idea how widespread, etc.). I don't know, but your data has a reasonable narrative.
- arbuge 14y agoFascinating tool. Some other interesting ones: financial crisis in effect: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=repo+&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=repo+&l= no idea about this one: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=terrorist&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=terrorist&l= no idea about this one either: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=escort&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=escort&l=
- AnthonyMouse 14y agoSecond one was Obama's first election. Jobs having "terrorist" in the name are not jobs for blowing up buildings, they're jobs beating the drum for Republicans. Then in 2010 the Republicans failed to take the Senate and in so doing realized that terrorism rhetoric wasn't having the same effect as it did a decade ago, so they started focusing on other things.
- static_typed 14y agoWhen we started seeing brogrammers and fauxgrammers, crashing code, let alone a tech crash, was inevitable.
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- Steko 14y agoObligatory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
- dragonwriter 14y agoSince they appear to search some set of available online job listing sites, its clearly a change in the mix of listings at those sites -- but it doesn't even necessarily mean a change in relative number of tech jobs to other jobs available (much less a tech crash). Simply a burst in non-tech jobs being more widely posted to different job sites (or new job sites that are non-tech oriented being added to indeed.com's database) would produce this effect.
- seregine 14y agoIn fact there's a corresponding uptick in "health" jobs: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=software%2C+health&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=software%2C+health&l=
- dragonwriter 14y agoAlso, tax. Is it seasonality? Is it a bigger trend in expansion of non-tech jobs? Is it more non-tech jobs getting posted more widely on job listing sites? Is it indeed.com indexing more sites that favor non-tech jobs? Is it something else? Is it a combination of some of these? Really hard to tell. Certainly not a strong basis for suspecting a tech collapse of any sort.
- minikomi 14y agoAlso "work from home". I'm guessing something flooded the job boards in the last month with a single term (think something spammy!), combined with a seasonal downturn .
- briholt 14y agoThere also appears to be a major crash in demand for "2012" http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2012&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2012&l=
- nathan_long 14y agoHoly cow, I shoulda sold those months while they were still fresh!
- georgemcbay 14y agoDamn, I had high hopes for 2012.
- dredmorbius 14y agoAnd 2010 is so last millennium: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2010&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=2010&l=
- jdavis703 14y agoAccording to this Indeed graph most jobs are seeing a decline in new postings: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends/industry http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends/industry I'd be more inclined to hypothesize that companies are slowing down hiring after bringing on lots of people post-recession. It would be more concerning if numbers such as unemployment were creeping up.
- jchung 14y agoIf these positions are "down" relatively, then I wonder what positions are "up" relatively?
- jchung 14y agoHere's an interesting "up" keyword: "part time" http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=part+time&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=part+time&l= That's not a good thing.
- aaronsnoswell 14y agohttp://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer%2C+programming%2C+engineering%2C+developer&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=engineer%2C+programming%2C...
- photorized 14y agoAlternatively, it could be that the number of non-engineering jobs has been going up.
- cm2012 14y agoOh shit... E-commerce too http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=e-commerce&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=e-commerce&l=
- pxlpshr 14y agoi heard designers are the new black. or maybe i'm just biased...
- zopf 14y agoLooks like your mom's going down too. http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=your+mom&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=your+mom&l= Ahem.
- jaekwon 14y agoThere may be a job market crash.
- spullara 14y agoGoogle down. Apple flat. Facebook and Twitter sharply up: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+twitter%2C+apple%2C+facebook&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=google%2C+twitter%2C+apple...
- accomplice 14y agoI searched "front end" and separately "UI" and the graphs are staggering -- for those searches it's nothing but boom time. I would expect similar results for "python" or "ruby"
- ratonofx 14y agoIt's just a "take-over" http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=social+media&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=social+media&l=
- dredmorbius 14y agoI'm seeing a persistent trail-off for recent data on a large number of search terms. I'd suspect a data norming/smoothing bug affecting the current month. Well, except that some generic searches show not final dip: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=job&l= http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=job&l=